Originally Posted by wthrman2

Now it is my turn to not sound like a jerk but you were correct that this car has had some problems with some faulty exhaust gaskets (At least, all but one seems to have had their issue solved by replacing these) but again, you said to not to buy a a car with new mechanical changes. I would agree with you when the 2013 IS came out, or when the LC came out because those were new from the ground up pretty much. If you look at things objectively, the 2022 IS 500 is really the IS 350 DHP with the engine and transmission of the RC F and GS F so to be honest, all things should be solid and reliable. I could be wrong but I would argue that the pandemic and lack of parts and possibly having to reliable on external suppliers is more likely to be the culprit than the car itself. Except for the codes being thrown off, there are no engine problems, there are no transmission problems, there are no infotainment problems and such, so in my opinion, Lexus will issue a TSB and have these gaskets replaced and things should be good. In my case, I am hoping this TSB will happen sooner than later so that the repairs are done prior to me picking up mine to avoid having to go back to the dealer which is quite far away and a major inconvenience. Your theory about don't buy a new car when it has a significant change is valid, but all things being considered, all the major components of this car aren't new and if you look at it objectively, this is not a significant problem but more of an inconvenience. Now in Jororo's case, his unit seems to have more significant problems but he is the exception at this time.

With respect to your prediction of a new interior - I could be proven wrong and I'll apologize if you are proven to be correct, but I just can't imagine how/why Lexus would change the interior of the IS 300/350/500 after two years into it's production. I think that Lexus did the 2021+ with the understanding this car is just to tie them over until the Full Model Change which I expect to be in 2025 using the same RWD platform that they are codeveloping with Mazda in which the Mazda 6 will ride on (as a RWD). I think, and again I could be wrong, that is when Lexus will release an IS F on that platform but will have a turbo V6 and will ditch the V8 all together so my prediction is that the IS 500 with the V8 will be only a few years in the making before they ditch the engine all together and that is why I can't see Lexus adopting the new interior until that happens. The difference between the IS 500 F Sport Performance and the IS F in 2025+ will be, in my opinion, with the turbo output and HP but again, all speculation on my part.

Originally Posted by Sasnuke

I'd have to agree with Tipsy...while what felix is saying is not impossible, it's highly improbable.
Consider that the IS500 is only for North American market...as much as Lexus spent some time designing the vehicle, they are definitely not going to sink money into redesigning the vehicle.
This version of the IS (300/350/500) is likely the last version of the car before it goes through a major redesign and most likely electrification.
The current version is already a major refresh, which happens once in a blue moon for Lexus/Toyota...it just wasn't a "let's change the front and rear lights, and maybe a bumper or two" refresh...it was literally an entire body replacement.
There is no way they are going to do that again...and the interior, except for some minor tweaks, is the same from 2014.
Also as the IS500 was launched for 2022, I think you can guarantee at least 3 year of the model...maybe a 4th year, but nothing beyond that...considering the body started life in 2021.

Originally Posted by TGPCanada

Fully agree. I think the issues we are seeing with the IS500 are entirely pandemic related. It is affecting every heavy industry worldwide. Toyota is not immune. There are severe shortages in raw materials, proven, off-the-shelf parts/supplies that were plentiful in the past, transportation logistical issues, as well as factory slowdowns/shutdowns due to covid ripping through facilities, or inadequate levels of staffing. I don't see them making any substantial alterations to the IS500 going forward . The fact that this car is only being sold in the United States and Canada is telling , and is considered a straightforward attempt by Lexus to ****** as much profit as they can from a proven commodity. Rest assured, Lexus did their market analyses and concluded that they stand the best chance of making some decent coin by selling this in the US and Canada. I guess the market isn't as rosy for the IS500 in the Middle East where gas is dirt cheap or in Australia where you can drive a RWD year around in fantastic weather. Forget about Europe - they might be fully electric by 2025 at the breakneck pace they are going. Lexus will not invest R&D dollars to make a next generation IS500. I think what we seeing here is it for the IS500. Don't be surprised if the next gen IS is fully electric as all the R&D dollars are flowing into those technology developments...at Lexus, at BMW, at Mercedes, etc, etc, etc.

Get the IS500 now, next year, year after that... whatever. But go get it and enjoy it while you can. It will be the last of an era and one of the last V8 powered automobiles of a century !

Originally Posted by TGPCanada

This CEL thing is an annoyance more than anything else for Lexus, and something tells me they are not losing any sleep over it. Now, if CEL alerts were happening on the RX or NX, then they'd be pushing the panic buttons in the upper management levels of Toyota. LOL.

Get the IS500 now, next year, year after that... whatever. But go get it and enjoy it while you can. It will be the last of an era and one of the last V8 powered automobiles of a century !

Originally Posted by macmaster

Hold on Canadians, not so fast. Why make the argument to get the IS500 now if Lexus isn't losing sleep on the CEL and seems satisfactory with sub-par quality?

Busted this group think. AMERICA BABY

Originally Posted by jjc1111

Your vehicle is no longer generating CEL codes if I understand correctly. So why keep commenting on them? Do you like your vehicle or not? If I get the $200 referral money, I plan to send it to you so you'll stop complaining.

Originally Posted by macmaster

The IS500 is ok. I have nothing better to do with my time. Thanks for the $$$!

Originally Posted by macmaster

The IS500 is ok. I have nothing better to do with my time. Thanks for the $$$!

Originally Posted by macmaster

Hold on Canadians, not so fast. Why make the argument to get the IS500 now if Lexus isn't losing sleep on the CEL and seems satisfactory with sub-par quality?

Busted this group think. AMERICA BABY

Originally Posted by jjc1111

If I get it, but I suspect I won't. They probably regret my referral. Seriously, look at your posts; they're mostly gloom and doom. ***** man, YOLO.

Originally Posted by macmaster

I know, but I like to play devils advocate truthfully and take both sides. Of course I hope the CEL is nothing. Now at the end of the day, Lexus is still my favorite car brand and I put my money where my mouth is.

As for the referral, they shouldn’t regret it. Sure they could’ve traded it for another car and sold it to someone locally but that’s extra time. They only lost $200 on a cheap 2 night hotel stay and $200 for your referral. That’s nothing in the grand scheme of their margins. Adrian can brag he sold the first IS500 in New Mexico lol.

Originally Posted by TipsyTonio

I’m willing to be every single organ in my body, and the title to my car that there will be no changes for 2023. That would constitute a 3rd refresh for this generation and it’s just not going to happen

Originally Posted by macmaster

Hold on Canadians, not so fast. Why make the argument to get the IS500 now if Lexus isn't losing sleep on the CEL and seems satisfactory with sub-par quality?

Busted this group think. AMERICA BABY

Originally Posted by jjc1111

Your vehicle is no longer generating CEL codes if I understand correctly. So why keep commenting on them? Do you like your vehicle or not? If I get the $200 referral money, I plan to send it to you so you'll stop complaining.

Originally Posted by jjc1111

If I get it, but I suspect I won't. They probably regret my referral. Seriously, look at your posts; they're mostly gloom and doom. ***** man, YOLO.

Originally Posted by jjc1111

They only lost $200 for the hotel. Keep "playing devil's advocate" (er trolling). I've helped 3 people find the IS 500 they wanted at MSRP. I'll take a break and just take from this site for a while.