3IS long term ownership concerns
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Check out this thread: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sus...bushing-4.html
I believe RR Racing explained mechanics of it there.
I believe RR Racing explained mechanics of it there.
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To elaborate on this a bit...
My dealership service department decided to get creative with my car (with my consent obviously) and change the alignment slightly to mitigate inner tire wear. They essentially gave me a slight adjustment toe-in. I think it's too early in my tires to tell if that's working. I checked the inner wear recently but it still seemed uniform. Only about 6 months and 5000 miles on the tires so far. (Sorry I didn't take a picture but sue me
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My dealership service department decided to get creative with my car (with my consent obviously) and change the alignment slightly to mitigate inner tire wear. They essentially gave me a slight adjustment toe-in. I think it's too early in my tires to tell if that's working. I checked the inner wear recently but it still seemed uniform. Only about 6 months and 5000 miles on the tires so far. (Sorry I didn't take a picture but sue me
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The only mitigation there is is to zero out the front toe. It will help during static driving. But dynamic change will still take place at the same rate/degree. It's just your static wear (driving normally down the street) will be mitigated as most factory alignments on sport/luxury cars call for toe-in. Usually a tenth of a degree.
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I know the bulletin mentions replacing the hose with the updated part as well, so I would think the hose is critical to the overall fix.
And I would agree that it's possible the updated part has failed. It has happened a few times that Toyota/Lexus has a bulletin with an updated part to fix an issue, and the new part fails in the same way...or creates a new problem.
It doesn't happen often thankfully, but it does happen.
At least the engineers now know what didn't work, and usually get it right the second time.
And I would agree that it's possible the updated part has failed. It has happened a few times that Toyota/Lexus has a bulletin with an updated part to fix an issue, and the new part fails in the same way...or creates a new problem.
It doesn't happen often thankfully, but it does happen.
At least the engineers now know what didn't work, and usually get it right the second time.
They replaced the regulator with the same part number (25819-0W010) and the hose with part number (25760-36051). I am not sure if the hose is a revised part, but they referenced the bulletin released in September 2017.
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That's the thing w/ entering into the big boy german turbo arena. and entering into more tech/goodies in general. you have to pay to play. mo parts, mo tech, mo problems
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol
There was something nice about simpler cars in simpler times. something very charming about driving an old car. i miss my 1987 E30 3 series manual with 247,000 trouble free miles when i sold it. fully mechanical and everything presents itself for you in the engine bay.
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol
There was something nice about simpler cars in simpler times. something very charming about driving an old car. i miss my 1987 E30 3 series manual with 247,000 trouble free miles when i sold it. fully mechanical and everything presents itself for you in the engine bay.
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That's the thing w/ entering into the big boy german turbo arena. and entering into more tech/goodies in general. you have to pay to play. mo parts, mo tech, mo problems
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol
There was something nice about simpler cars in simpler times. something very charming about driving an old car. i miss my 1987 E30 3 series manual with 247,000 trouble free miles when i sold it. fully mechanical and everything presents itself for you in the engine bay.
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol
There was something nice about simpler cars in simpler times. something very charming about driving an old car. i miss my 1987 E30 3 series manual with 247,000 trouble free miles when i sold it. fully mechanical and everything presents itself for you in the engine bay.
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That's the thing w/ entering into the big boy german turbo arena. and entering into more tech/goodies in general. you have to pay to play. mo parts, mo tech, mo problems
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol
There was something nice about simpler cars in simpler times. something very charming about driving an old car. i miss my 1987 E30 3 series manual with 247,000 trouble free miles when i sold it. fully mechanical and everything presents itself for you in the engine bay.
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol
There was something nice about simpler cars in simpler times. something very charming about driving an old car. i miss my 1987 E30 3 series manual with 247,000 trouble free miles when i sold it. fully mechanical and everything presents itself for you in the engine bay.
). The tires will go at 20k miles like any other performance car though.
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That's the thing w/ entering into the big boy german turbo arena. and entering into more tech/goodies in general. you have to pay to play. mo parts, mo tech, mo problems
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol.
Y'all want them fancy competition so your car can do good in motor trend mags and instagram posts showing off cool car features, well there is a cost. lol.
I had a 2004 Z4 and it was generally reliable. My mechanic said that was about it for German cars, because since then they have put in so much tech and used cheaper and cheaper parts that you're only asking for trouble if you buy one. Yet somehow companies like Toyota and Honda are able to do so and maintain quality AND longevity. Why? Because they don't use cheap quality parts, put in unnecessary tech "just cuz they can", and actually put their systems through thorough long-term testing.
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patience, grasshoppa. patience.
even when the car was new, all the automotive journalists commented.. cool feature but this is certainly going to break in a few years. didn't exactly take a psychic. a ribbon cable can only flex so many times.
relax, I drive a Lexus too. no need to get tribal. cars are just things that inevitably break. nice to have a data point on the things that do break
even when the car was new, all the automotive journalists commented.. cool feature but this is certainly going to break in a few years. didn't exactly take a psychic. a ribbon cable can only flex so many times.
relax, I drive a Lexus too. no need to get tribal. cars are just things that inevitably break. nice to have a data point on the things that do break
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patience, grasshoppa. patience.
even when the car was new, all the automotive journalists commented.. cool feature but this is certainly going to break in a few years. didn't exactly take a psychic. a ribbon cable can only flex so many times.
relax, I drive a Lexus too. no need to get tribal. cars are just things that inevitably break. nice to have a data point on the things that do break
even when the car was new, all the automotive journalists commented.. cool feature but this is certainly going to break in a few years. didn't exactly take a psychic. a ribbon cable can only flex so many times.
relax, I drive a Lexus too. no need to get tribal. cars are just things that inevitably break. nice to have a data point on the things that do break