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Old Nov 29, 2023 | 06:45 PM
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I must say I love this. As an American writing for international audiences, I have to balance the rules and the English treat punctuation around quotation marks differently, so I try not to ever use quotation marks which are usually not necessary anyway. I do say lorry, lift, block of flats, motorway, and queue frequently and I do occasionally refer to people as you lot. Once I even told a guy to sod off. But, cars though, so how about the Mercury Merkur XR4ti?
yes you would need to be mindful before telling someone you're "pissed"... or they could become "cross" lmao

top gear and ali g were my primary british influences growing up, i def picked up the majority of the slang and regional accents from there
Old Nov 29, 2023 | 07:21 PM
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Maybe for some people...not for the majority of drivers.
That’s just not true. If you had the same training and experienced the differences for yourself like I have you would feel differently.
Old Nov 29, 2023 | 08:27 PM
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What the hell is "winter"?
Old Nov 29, 2023 | 08:54 PM
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What the hell is "winter"?
It's when temps are 40 F degrees and below and started last month from Georgia and going north.
Old Nov 29, 2023 | 09:40 PM
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Myself.....I gave up on RWD many years ago, mostly because of winter traction. Snow tires and electronic traction-aids for RWD help, but there is still nothing like having the weight of the engine/transmsison over the drive-wheels.
bad snow in your area probably affects the roads, what, 2 or 3 days a year? and i don't think you travel far these days so you could either stay in, or get an uber.
life is too short to constrain oneself to "only" fwd because or snow. if i lived in an area with bad snow, then again, the fwd/rwd debate is still irrelevant. time to get awd.
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
bad snow in your area probably affects the roads, what, 2 or 3 days a year? and i don't think you travel far these days so you could either stay in, or get an uber.
life is too short to constrain oneself to "only" fwd because or snow. if i lived in an area with bad snow, then again, the fwd/rwd debate is still irrelevant. time to get awd.
Winters in the D.C. area can, and do, vary enormously from year to year in snow-totals, (and from one part of the D.C. area to another), but, yes, the overall trend the last several years has been down. Still, AWD is very popular in this area...perhaps because so many people don't know how to drive in snow.
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
That’s just not true. If you had the same training and experienced the differences for yourself like I have you would feel differently.

I beg to differ...and I have many years of driving experience myself. I wasn't born yesterday.
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I beg to differ...and I have many years of driving experience myself. I wasn't born yesterday.
How many years of experience driving on modern snow tires in snow/ice conditions? Your argument is one made exclusively by people for whom the answer to that question is zero.
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
bad snow in your area probably affects the roads, what, 2 or 3 days a year? and i don't think you travel far these days so you could either stay in, or get an uber.
life is too short to constrain oneself to "only" fwd because or snow. if i lived in an area with bad snow, then again, the fwd/rwd debate is still irrelevant. time to get awd.
2 to 3 days a year in the worst winter. Most winters never at all.

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I beg to differ...and I have many years of driving experience myself. I wasn't born yesterday.
Driving experience is not the same as having been trained how to drive. Have you ever been professionally trained? I have (it’s awesome fun, you should try it) and I have experienced the same skid in skid cars in both RWD and FWD, if you had experienced what I have experienced you would sing a different tune.

The issue with FWD cars in the winter is that when you lose throttle traction you lose complete control of the car. You also have issues driving uphill because all the weight shifts to the back, and driving downhill all the wait slams over the drive wheels, which contributes to understeer and again total loss of control.

RWD cars require a little more skill to drive because of the skill required in controlling oversteer. When you have that skill though, they are much more controllable than a FWD car. Modern skid control systems also control that oversteer for you and that has dramatically improved since even the early 2000s.

When I had my RWD LS460L I took it and my old FWD ES and my FWD Pacifica out in the same storm to compare, the LS was much much better to drive.
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 06:41 AM
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Don't think I prefer any layout when it's snowy outside. RWD lets you powerslide and generally tends to be able to climb better (unless you use the "drive fwd in reverse" cheat code... or if the car is naturally rear-engined - then it just rips ), fwd has uhh "throttle vectoring" + quite a bit of extra weight on the driven axle + a usable handbrake. I drive both. Tires are the most important factor.
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lwerewolf
. Tires are the most important factor.
I agree, hands down snow tires are a huge difference Our Matrix has snow tires… it is our go to vehicle for driving in the snow.
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Actually FWD is the least safe layout you can have in winter weather. You think its better because its easier to get going from a stop, but in all other aspects its inferior. RWD on winter tires is 100% superior.
you're forgetting another important ingredient, the limited slip diff!

my old crown vic with the proper diff and winter tires was a BEAST in the snow, i could've probably driven that thing on a beach haha

traction control can do a good job of replicating the slip limiting effect but having the wheels able to be mechanically locked together makes a huge difference... i remember driving to work one snowy day and seeing a challenger stuck at the bottom of a hill, whereas the vic just kept chugging along and climbed the hill having hardly broken a sweat
Old Nov 30, 2023 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lwerewolf
Don't think I prefer any layout when it's snowy outside. RWD lets you powerslide and generally tends to be able to climb better (unless you use the "drive fwd in reverse" cheat code... or if the car is naturally rear-engined - then it just rips ), fwd has uhh "throttle vectoring" + quite a bit of extra weight on the driven axle + a usable handbrake. I drive both. Tires are the most important factor.
Tires are absolutely the most important factor
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awd for the win.
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here's one for all the steve wozniak fans (he likes repeating digits lol)



naturally i had to record for about 2 minutes before i got 22.2 MPG to pop up haha... i won't get to try this again for another 111,111 miles



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