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My wife is very non-passionate about cars. With that said, she does miss her 2013 RX350 that we had many years ago. She saw an ad on her phone for the new TX and is all over it. I was a bit surprised, especially as I think it's bigger than she'd actually want, but this is the first time that I can ever remember her asking me about a particular car.
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the last time toyota did one of those it looked like this
toyota's lawyers (successfully) argued with the FIA stewards that the fuel tank when empty could be used to store luggage, therefore this counts as a "street car" lmao... i'd love to see what they can manage this time
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My wife is very non-passionate about cars. With that said, she does miss her 2013 RX350 that we had many years ago. She saw an ad on her phone for the new TX and is all over it. I was a bit surprised, especially as I think it's bigger than she'd actually want, but this is the first time that I can ever remember her asking me about a particular car.
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I was reading an MT comparison test of the X7, GLS, Escalade and Navigator and I saw this quote that reminded me of our debate about NA engines vs turbo engines and how I said that now that I'm used to turbo power I find it hard to go back to NA power:
Bear in mind the X7 they had was the I6...not the V8...
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/
The Cadillac's powertrain—the sole naturally aspirated mill of the bunch—left us wishing for some turbochargers. A luxury vehicle should be able to waft you away effortlessly, but despite Cadillac's exceptionally smooth 10-speed automatic, the largely carryover V-8 lets you see it sweat. After the initial surge of off-the-line torque, there's really not much left in reserve for passing or long uphill grades. The Escalade isn't slow in the grand scheme of things, but in this crowd it brings up the back of the pack in every single instrumented test save for braking. For what it's worth, the same is also true for the last standard-length Escalade we tested.
Bear in mind the X7 they had was the I6...not the V8...
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/
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I felt that way when I was driving around the Yukon Denali XL around metro DC just recently. It’s a more interactive experience sure but if you’re used to forced induction vehicles it can feel like you’re having to hustle it around a bit more than “normal.”
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Thanks!
It's wide, it won't fit into even the Denali. I think it's 62 inches wide.
I can rent a Uhaul box trailer for $29.95 and just tow the trailer up and back. The issue is strapping it down so it doesn't slide around. It is already somewhat heavy, 72lbs.
It's wide, it won't fit into even the Denali. I think it's 62 inches wide.
I can rent a Uhaul box trailer for $29.95 and just tow the trailer up and back. The issue is strapping it down so it doesn't slide around. It is already somewhat heavy, 72lbs.
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I was reading an MT comparison test of the X7, GLS, Escalade and Navigator and I saw this quote that reminded me of our debate about NA engines vs turbo engines and how I said that now that I'm used to turbo power I find it hard to go back to NA power:
Bear in mind the X7 they had was the I6...not the V8...
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/
Bear in mind the X7 they had was the I6...not the V8...
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/
Displacement and cylinders absolutely matter..
‘I don’t have any issue with a turbo, but as long as it replaces the corresponding engine size that it replaces. Your Mercedes turbo V8 replaced a NA V8. I just don’t accept the downsize in engine from 8 to 6 or 6 to 4. The LX should be a V8.
of concern is that it adds more complexity. To me that is not OK because I keep my cars so long. More things to break.
Personally I would buy the V8 Escalade over any of the other three, I’d even rather have a Tahoe. Then the Navigator because I like body on frame SUVs.
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Congrats on the top! Hopefully transport goes well and it's in great shape.
NA engines are fine, forced induction is better but it should be an add on not a replacement. My 6.8L V8 was amazing when NA, but the super made it stupid.....same with the 5.0 rover engine NA vs Super and the Hellcat/GT500.
You can tell the 4.0 in my A8 is a small engine that relies entirely on boost for its power when you attempt to drive it smoothly or very lightly. It tries to come in and out of boost and ends up being difficult to drive smoothly or you give up and just accept the hammer of TQ.
NA engines are fine, forced induction is better but it should be an add on not a replacement. My 6.8L V8 was amazing when NA, but the super made it stupid.....same with the 5.0 rover engine NA vs Super and the Hellcat/GT500.
You can tell the 4.0 in my A8 is a small engine that relies entirely on boost for its power when you attempt to drive it smoothly or very lightly. It tries to come in and out of boost and ends up being difficult to drive smoothly or you give up and just accept the hammer of TQ.
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Call the folks at Motor Trend and tell them you disagree lol.
Give me a turbocharged engine anyday. I’d rather have a NA V8 over a turbo 6, but would rather have a turbo 8 over a NA 8.
I have never felt any of the small V8 I have had felt “small”.
Give me a turbocharged engine anyday. I’d rather have a NA V8 over a turbo 6, but would rather have a turbo 8 over a NA 8.
I have never felt any of the small V8 I have had felt “small”.