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Old Apr 22, 2023 | 11:39 AM
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I find the amounts of wood in those interiors a little much
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Originally Posted by mmarshall






That was one of the best Jaguar interiors ever ........especially compared to what we see today.

The Second-Generation SC430, despite its awkward body-proportions, also had a superbly-done dash.



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I will say, Jaguar has had a lot of not so great interiors but the new refresh F Pace interior is excellent.
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No such thing as too much wood. That's what I love about LS430, it has a massive amount. LS400 didn't have enough which the press did point out and they responded!

It is also worth noting that both LS400 and LS430 were winners of multiple comparison tests. LS460 never came close.

From first....
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mparison-test/

To worst....
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...parison-tests/
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You have to read why.

For a car that some of us thought might win going in, fifth place seems astonishing. But you have to blame the Lexus's obsessive isolation from noise and vibration for this outcome. Although the LS460L cossets its occupants with comfortable seats and all kinds of creature comforts (such as an air diffuser over the rear occupants to avoid drafts and an extraordinary DVD sound system), its dynamics don't hold up in hard-driving situations.


So what we love about the Lexus LS in that comparison they decided they hated. Makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I think LS400 is the best interior design and assembly. Then 430. The 460
‘’just look at the ugly push button with the plastics converging compare to the classy key.
I have to go with the 430 over 400 because I want something just a bit more modern but not too modern. The 400 interior is nice but a bit too retro for modern day needs.

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The 430 is no more modern. You get the navigation system but it’s so ancient the car is better off without it.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I find the amounts of wood in those interiors a little much
Each to his or her own....that's why we have these discussions. But I am a firm believer that wood-trim (or, if done well-enough, even wood-tone or fake-wood) is a classic symbol of luxury vehicles.

I also liked the wood-decal appliqués on the sides of the old full-size station wagons....Chrysler even used it on the early versions of the late-70s Omni/Horizon subcompacts. It was, IMO, a great-looking package.







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Old Apr 22, 2023 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The 430 is no more modern. You get the navigation system but it’s so ancient the car is better off without it.
I meant the ls 460. But the dash board design in the 430 already looks more modern than the 400.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Each to his or her own....that's why we have these discussions. But I am a firm believer that wood-trim (or, if done well-enough, even wood-tone or fake-wood) is a classic symbol of luxury vehicles.

I also liked the wood-decal appliqués on the sides of the old full-size station wagons....Chrysler even used it on the early versions of the late-70s Omni/Horizon subcompacts. It was, IMO, a great-looking package.






All I can say is…yuck.

I like wood trim too, but anything can be overdone.

We just can never come to a meeting of the minds on sticker fake wood on the sides of cars…especially on the sides of two of the worst vehicles ever made.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The seat adjustments and function of the 460 are superior. But the materials, design and craftsmanship of the 400 are far nicer.






^^. This is very cheaply done. Looks like it is from a cheap Chevrolet







400 ^^ is just more tasteful.



Here is Lexus 400, 460 and 500. The LS500 is awful. The LS400 is far more tasteful in the details




Why don't you pull a top spec 460 to compare to the LS400? I've been around all of these and own two of them currently and I'm telling you the 400 is just a hunk of plastic for the seat controls. It's not as nice feeling as you think it is
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Why don't you pull a top spec 460 to compare to the LS400? I've been around all of these and own two of them currently and I'm telling you the 400 is just a hunk of plastic for the seat controls. It's not as nice feeling as you think it is
Having had both, I agree.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
We just can never come to a meeting of the minds on sticker fake wood on the sides of cars…especially on the sides of two of the worst vehicles ever made.
I'll agree that the Omni/Horizon was poorly-built and had reliability issues (I owned one, and so did my late mom). But it was well-designed and was pleasant to drive when things worked properly on it...especially compared to its Chevette arch-rival.

The big full-size GM wagons...I can't agree that they are among the worst cars. They had, in both sedan and wagon form, millions of satisfied customers, and their durable and smooth 5.7L /Turbo-Hydra-Matic powertrains often outlasted the rest of the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Why don't you pull a top spec 460 to compare to the LS400? I've been around all of these and own two of them currently and I'm telling you the 400 is just a hunk of plastic for the seat controls. It's not as nice feeling as you think it is

I don’t agree. The LS400 has a nicer design. The plastic has a nice fine grain. The plastic is one full piece The LS460 looks incredibly cheap with the way the plastics fuse together




the seams I have outlined just don’t look as nice.




The plastics here just look far more tasteful. The finger tip impressions on the switch’s are fine touch. And the separate lumbar support just adds a touch of detail that doesn’t look so cost cut.






here is another touch of criticism that I feel is warranted. The 460 has more seams on the interior parts

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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I don’t agree with you. The LS400 has a nicer design. The plastic has a nice fine grain. The plastic is one full piece The LS460 looks incredibly cheap with the way the plastics fuse together
The LS460's interior looked good on the surface, but I agree that, under the surface, it was not the equal of the 400's more-solid materials. It gets back to what I have said a number of times....that Lexus started significant cost-cutting and lighter/thinner materials in the mid-2000s....and, for the most part, has continued ever since.



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