Oh yeah, I always forget about the AWD version since it somewhat ruins the car. That system feels tacked on both from the driving perspective and working on them in my opinion.

The fit of the body is WAY better on the 460 as is the interior but the 430 has more fine details covered. It's best to have one of each side by side to compare to see what I've been talking about in the last few post but you really need to own both. I started out as a 460 hater until I had a chance to live with mine for a while and now an XF40 will always be in my garage as will an XF30. Both are amazing in their own ways but the LS460 is hands down the better car for eliciting emotion and being captured in your memory.

 

When you consider how similar it is to a Mercedes, it is really reliable. I say its the most reliable insanely complex car you could buy.

 

My 15 was AWD but my 17 was RWD, I really preferred the RWD one. If I could have gotten a RWD S560 I would have.

 

It's almost staggering really....if you rule out consumables (unfair to judge a car by IMO, otherwise a corolla is best since it has near zero as a result of the comically low grade engineering) it's almost unreal how reliable the 460 is.

It just doesn't have random issues at all, the only issues are well known at this point (valley plate, wind noise) and once fixed they are fixed permanently. Everything else like oil consumption, hesitation/chain stretch, brake actuator failure, and water ingress killing the ML amp are ALL avoidable and can be prevented with correct care.

That's simply not the case with other cars of this level, I only gave Audi a shot since next to Lexus they seemed to have the least non-consumable/non-user error issues come up and the known problems were acceptable to me.


Somehow not crashed ever....good price at $400 and should be a 4k profit in a week or so

No rust!

If you are at all familiar with this gen fusion you KNOW how insane it is to see no rust on an Ohio car back near the wheel.

I'll also leave this subject with this, just today I picked up a 2006 Lincoln MKZ to flip since it was in unusually good condition but has a blown engine. I went out to pay for/do title work in the 4.0, the owner has a modified IS300 AWD that you can tell he loves a lot and is a fanboi over. He made it very clear my Audi is a car he looked at, wanted, but was too intimidated to own....when he saw it was a 4.0 you couldn't possibly miss the fact he aspires to cars like it.

That is something only the great cars can elicit. The LS460 does that. The 430 doesn't.

 

I think LS400 is the best interior design and assembly. Then 430. The 460

‘’just look at the ugly push button with the plastics converging compare to the classy key.

 

I'm not convinced the brake actuator is something that can be avoided completely with care, mine was replaced at 5K miles lol

When I think of the "Lexus LS"...this is still what I think of:

 

Of those interiors you posted, the best looking interior IMO is the 460, but the best quality interior was the 400. 430 dash I never liked the layout. They fixed all of those quality issues though in the 13 refresh.

 

The 430 was probably the best-looking. The other two didn't have enough wood.

 

^^^ Is this enough ?



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Saw this mint condition Lexus the other day. I think it is a first gen RX but I’m not sure

 

Oh that's not quite what I said.

I've always wanted that car since the year 2002, it's always been my favorite car.

It's a tough decision. Build quality Lexus wins. To some that may not be the hugest issue but to me it's one of the top things I look for. SL500 is the most special but if you look at an LS430 and see the insane build quality and then realize it was $30,000 less expensive... that right there is something special but it's not something you can see like the endless cool stuff on an SL like the special rims, gauges, pedals, paint, etc.

I'm not getting into this endless 430v 460 debate other than saying this: The second I sat down in a 460 when seriously considering buying one, it felt like a downgrade and not an upgrade. Same with the engine and transmission and overall smoothness. Way more 430s out where I live than 460s. And nobody was talking about the post refresh car. They ironed most of the kinks out. The issues the first 460 had were enough to stain the name IMO. Any '13+ LS I would happily drive, for sure. And I'd love it I'm sure.

 

Why the black interior was hardly even seen on those old 400s is beyond me, that's stunning.

 

Not feeling the extreme styling. Or the wood trim colour. But I like the black leather. Love the wheels

 

You started it lol

Not sure, mine was a black interior.

I don’t think I have ever heard anyone say an LS400 has “extreme styling” lol. These cars were considered very vanilla. That’s a first.

I don’t like that wood color either, that was the 2000 Platinum edition. Mine had a reddish brown burlwood.

This is "extreme styling"? This was identical to our car

 

‘I meant exterior. Damn Apple. Auto correct