that will be a LOT of reading, most likely.

 

Absolutely. Still does not mean I can’t control what apps use or access my location. And I was never talking about “data”. I always referred to just location services, the “location services” part of my own data.

 

Every navigation system, be it Apple or Google or Waze maps, a standalone navigation system, or the navigation system in your car's infotainment system, knows where you are at all times and continually tracks you, otherwise it is useless as a navigation system.

If the navigation system does not continually track you at all times, it cannot know where you are. If it does not know where you are at all times, it cannot keep updating you how to get to your destination.

And if you are using Apple or Google or Waze maps on an internet-enabled device, the map provider -- Apple or Google -- knows where you are, because it has to. Your device sends out your location and your unique identifier to Apple or Google so that Apple or Google can send back the correct map for your location.

Even if you are not running Apple or Google Maps on your internet-enabled device, services you use can know your location, unless you have spoofed your location (with a VPN, for example). Have you ever gone online to try to find a brick-and-mortar store? It can automatically use your device's location to find the nearest stores to you. Even if you do not have GPS location on your device (home PC, for example), your location can be determined (it may not be your actual location if you use a VPN but a location is still determined).

 

Here is an article on the subject, draw your own conclusions on the subject. With respect to location services.

https://hackernoon.com/apples-best-p...e-9919f5fc6fb7

For myself, I select what I want to be known when I can. I try to keep anything Google off my phone. FB app I do not have but I do have messenger, with location off. I had a Google phone, vastly different experience compared to my Apple phone. So happy I do not see those stupid ads from where I have been on my You Tube like I did when I had Google Maps.

 

But if Apple owns your software, and your software license said--for instance--Apple may use your location data from your phone's software, it wouldn't matter what "control" you think you have. You already agreed to what's in the software license.

Now--I'm not saying that Apple's software license says anything about location information. But it absolutely could. And what I'm saying is that unless you actually read that license, you have no idea what info you have actually agreed to give Apple. Regardless of your phone's settings.

 

Let's put it this way. If you were involved in a criminal investigation and your whereabouts were needed by the FBI (to clear you, or arrest you) The data on your phone would pinpoint exactly where you were, and at what time. Sure, it may take a court order to get that data but that's not what we're talking about, is it? The fact is, your phone is tracking you, not any one app.

 

But that is not what is of issue? Or is it? All I was referring to is location services and being able to turn it off vs not. Some on here seem to imply Apple is lying in that when the location is turned off, the data is still being sent. That is fine if they think that way, it does not appear to me that is the case. When I use Apple maps, I use location services, Apple claims my data is fragmented, so they are using it, but they are not pinpointing who is using it. Apparently my text messages are encrypted, and my Apple wallet it only stored on the phone in a Secure Enclave. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

If your location services is OFF, and you call 911, IOS turns it ON, but Apple can’t see it, I have no reason to believe they are lying to me, others may think otherwise, I am ok with that.

For sure, but I am sure there are lawyers who have read the license. I am 100% sure there are scholarly papers and colleges that have researched this stuff.

I am sure Apple could one day change their privacy policy information as well. Moving to data and what Apple does monitor and collect is the use of Apple iTunes, music and all of those services. I have no issue with that. You cannot turn off their knowledge of what movies on iTunes you are watching or music etc.

 

The phone tracking you I am not disputing. That is different than what Apple corporation is receiving from your phone. I think Apple is on record, in court for saying they can’t access specific info remotely.

Cell phone tower pinging while the phone is in operation, no doubt.

Here is something interesting about tracking by GPS. I did it know text messages are encrypted but iMessages are. https://business.financialpost.com/t...-and-heres-why

 

And you believe them? LOL

 

Seems that Google has heard you (thru their monitoring of this thread by someone using Chrome, no doubt)

https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/19/...ode-maps-test/

 

I found Google Maps more useful than Apple when we first got to Los Angeles.

Google would tell you what lanes to use, Apple didn't then.

 

Apple does today.

 

Thanks. It kind of defeats the purpose of Google if they don't know your data.

 

How? Their top-notch traffic data isn't worthwhile if they don't know your data? I don't get it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Apple claims they do not know where you are going (thus they cannot link your name or other services to the location you want to go)
Google does know were you are going (they know your destination, stops, searches etc) and they sell it or use

So, Google incognito mode is rather useless to Google as they thrive off your data. Google incognito is in effect what Apple is doing from the get-go. .