Apple Maps vs Google Maps while you drive?
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Absolutely. Still does not mean I can’t control what apps use or access my location. And I was never talking about “data”. I always referred to just location services, the “location services” part of my own data.
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Every navigation system, be it Apple or Google or Waze maps, a standalone navigation system, or the navigation system in your car's infotainment system, knows where you are at all times and continually tracks you, otherwise it is useless as a navigation system.
If the navigation system does not continually track you at all times, it cannot know where you are. If it does not know where you are at all times, it cannot keep updating you how to get to your destination.
And if you are using Apple or Google or Waze maps on an internet-enabled device, the map provider -- Apple or Google -- knows where you are, because it has to. Your device sends out your location and your unique identifier to Apple or Google so that Apple or Google can send back the correct map for your location.
Even if you are not running Apple or Google Maps on your internet-enabled device, services you use can know your location, unless you have spoofed your location (with a VPN, for example). Have you ever gone online to try to find a brick-and-mortar store? It can automatically use your device's location to find the nearest stores to you. Even if you do not have GPS location on your device (home PC, for example), your location can be determined (it may not be your actual location if you use a VPN but a location is still determined).
If the navigation system does not continually track you at all times, it cannot know where you are. If it does not know where you are at all times, it cannot keep updating you how to get to your destination.
And if you are using Apple or Google or Waze maps on an internet-enabled device, the map provider -- Apple or Google -- knows where you are, because it has to. Your device sends out your location and your unique identifier to Apple or Google so that Apple or Google can send back the correct map for your location.
Even if you are not running Apple or Google Maps on your internet-enabled device, services you use can know your location, unless you have spoofed your location (with a VPN, for example). Have you ever gone online to try to find a brick-and-mortar store? It can automatically use your device's location to find the nearest stores to you. Even if you do not have GPS location on your device (home PC, for example), your location can be determined (it may not be your actual location if you use a VPN but a location is still determined).
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Here is an article on the subject, draw your own conclusions on the subject. With respect to location services.
https://hackernoon.com/apples-best-p...e-9919f5fc6fb7
For myself, I select what I want to be known when I can. I try to keep anything Google off my phone. FB app I do not have but I do have messenger, with location off. I had a Google phone, vastly different experience compared to my Apple phone. So happy I do not see those stupid ads from where I have been on my You Tube like I did when I had Google Maps.
The conversations over iMessage and FaceTime are protected by end-to-end encryption, this means even Apple cannot see it. Apple also doesn’t store your geo-location, map searches, Siri requests in any identifiable form
For myself, I select what I want to be known when I can. I try to keep anything Google off my phone. FB app I do not have but I do have messenger, with location off. I had a Google phone, vastly different experience compared to my Apple phone. So happy I do not see those stupid ads from where I have been on my You Tube like I did when I had Google Maps.
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Now--I'm not saying that Apple's software license says anything about location information. But it absolutely could. And what I'm saying is that unless you actually read that license, you have no idea what info you have actually agreed to give Apple. Regardless of your phone's settings.
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Let's put it this way. If you were involved in a criminal investigation and your whereabouts were needed by the FBI (to clear you, or arrest you) The data on your phone would pinpoint exactly where you were, and at what time. Sure, it may take a court order to get that data but that's not what we're talking about, is it? The fact is, your phone is tracking you, not any one app.
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If your location services is OFF, and you call 911, IOS turns it ON, but Apple can’t see it, I have no reason to believe they are lying to me, others may think otherwise, I am ok with that.
Now--I'm not saying that Apple's software license says anything about location information. But it absolutely could. And what I'm saying is that unless you actually read that license, you have no idea what info you have actually agreed to give Apple. Regardless of your phone's settings.
I am sure Apple could one day change their privacy policy information as well. Moving to data and what Apple does monitor and collect is the use of Apple iTunes, music and all of those services. I have no issue with that. You cannot turn off their knowledge of what movies on iTunes you are watching or music etc.
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The phone tracking you I am not disputing. That is different than what Apple corporation is receiving from your phone. I think Apple is on record, in court for saying they can’t access specific info remotely.
Cell phone tower pinging while the phone is in operation, no doubt.
Here is something interesting about tracking by GPS. I did it know text messages are encrypted but iMessages are. https://business.financialpost.com/t...-and-heres-why
Cell phone tower pinging while the phone is in operation, no doubt.
Here is something interesting about tracking by GPS. I did it know text messages are encrypted but iMessages are. https://business.financialpost.com/t...-and-heres-why
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The phone tracking you I am not disputing. That is different than what Apple corporation is receiving from your phone. I think Apple is on record, in court for saying they can’t access specific info remotely.
Cell phone tower pinging while the phone is in operation, no doubt.
Here is something interesting about tracking by GPS. I did it know text messages are encrypted but iMessages are. https://business.financialpost.com/t...-and-heres-why
Cell phone tower pinging while the phone is in operation, no doubt.
Here is something interesting about tracking by GPS. I did it know text messages are encrypted but iMessages are. https://business.financialpost.com/t...-and-heres-why
https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/19/...ode-maps-test/
Google is testing Incognito Mode for Maps
Sure, it could be used for shady reasons, but it could also help keep someone safe.
Mariella Moon, @mariella_moon10h ago in Mobile
NurPhoto via Getty ImagesGoogle has rolled out Incognito Mode to Maps' preview group for testing, so you may not have to wait that long to be able to use it. The feature was one of the privacy-focused tools Google promised at I/O earlier this year along with Incognito Mode for Search. Like the version of the feature on Chrome, it can make sure that any location or direction you look up doesn't get associated with your Google account.
According to DroidLife, testers received an email about the rollout that says: "Use Incognito Mode when you don't want your activity -- like the places you search for or navigate to -- to be saved to your Google account." The tech giant has been working to bring the feature to its other products for a while, releasing it for YouTube last year.
In Maps, you can switch it on by tapping on your profile photo on the right corner of the search bar and choosing "Turn on Incognito Mode" from the options that pop up. The app will then confirm your status with a black bar at the top of the screen that says "Incognito Mode is on."
Source: DroidLife, Android Police
In this article: gear, google, incognito, mobile
According to DroidLife, testers received an email about the rollout that says: "Use Incognito Mode when you don't want your activity -- like the places you search for or navigate to -- to be saved to your Google account." The tech giant has been working to bring the feature to its other products for a while, releasing it for YouTube last year.
In Maps, you can switch it on by tapping on your profile photo on the right corner of the search bar and choosing "Turn on Incognito Mode" from the options that pop up. The app will then confirm your status with a black bar at the top of the screen that says "Incognito Mode is on."
Source: DroidLife, Android Police
In this article: gear, google, incognito, mobile
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Seems that Google has heard you (thru their monitoring of this thread by someone using Chrome, no doubt)
https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/19/...ode-maps-test/[h1]
https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/19/...ode-maps-test/[h1]
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Google does know were you are going (they know your destination, stops, searches etc) and they sell it or use
So, Google incognito mode is rather useless to Google as they thrive off your data. Google incognito is in effect what Apple is doing from the get-go. .