2019 Toyota Supra
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The faux air dams can actually made functional, but I believe Toyco is reserving it for a hipo track model. Case in point, the hood vents can actually funnel hot air out, if they are removed or drilled to (it actually routes to the engine). Likewise the front covered air dam grill. If it is replaced with a open style grill, it would direct air into the intake box.
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and i'll obviously have to keep dreaming since toyota is apparently happy taking the cheap lazier route these days (aka making the 'smart' business decision, which i guess you can't blame someone for)
also i had previously asked you how much power you plan on having the car make, or do you just plan to leave it stock?
no trolling has occurred, but to hopefully act as a deterrent for others who might be interested lol
and i'll obviously have to keep dreaming since toyota is apparently happy taking the cheap lazier route these days (aka making the 'smart' business decision, which i guess you can't blame someone for)
also i had previously asked you how much power you plan on having the car make, or do you just plan to leave it stock?
and i'll obviously have to keep dreaming since toyota is apparently happy taking the cheap lazier route these days (aka making the 'smart' business decision, which i guess you can't blame someone for)
also i had previously asked you how much power you plan on having the car make, or do you just plan to leave it stock?
Other than that leave consumers that made their own choices alone.
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The Supra put up a good showing at Car and Driver's Lightning Lap.
Power and Weight: 335 hp • 3372 lb • 10.1 lb/hp
Tires: Michelin Pilot Super Sport, F:255/35ZR-19 (96Y) R: 275/35ZR-19 (100Y)
If the Mazda Miata is a pair of training wheels for track newbies, the Toyota Supra is the big-kid bike that hones fine motor skills. It drives with a back-to-basics purity that is easily controlled but not exactly forgiving. With enough torque to spin the car in any corner and handling that's as neutral as Switzerland, the Supra doesn't suffer fools gladly. Either you learn to move your hands and feet in unison or you'll eat turf and tire wall.
The Supra is in its element on every inch of the Grand Course's 4.1 miles, but nowhere more so than on the final third of the track. The infield through Hog Pen is a series of sweeping combinations that could be described as a bunch of freeway on-ramps stitched together. Through those sections, a steering wheel cuts back and forth like a low-frequency pendulum, never really settling in one direction.
Michael SimariCar and Driver
The Toyota skates from track edge to track edge with the deftness of a lighter car. Slightly soft by today's standards, the suspension moves around under duress, but the amount of squish and bounce communicates to the driver how close you are to the limit in a way the steering doesn't. That said, you can consistently steer the Toyota with precise throttle control, a key advantage in this section of the track.
A 3:01.4 lap punches above the Supra's pounds-per-horsepower ratio, landing amid 500-hp giants including the 2006 Corvette Z06 and Viper SRT10. In the 13 years of Lightning Lap, only two cars have run faster with less power: the Ariel Atom 3 and the KTM X-Bow, which are essentially full-size go-karts with fun-size curb weights. And yet, the Supra is just as capable of thrilling your inner child as either of them. Master the Supra's balance and you'll rediscover youthful joy.
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Lap Time: 3:01.4
Class: LL2 | Base: $54,945 | As-Tested: $56,140Power and Weight: 335 hp • 3372 lb • 10.1 lb/hp
Tires: Michelin Pilot Super Sport, F:255/35ZR-19 (96Y) R: 275/35ZR-19 (100Y)
If the Mazda Miata is a pair of training wheels for track newbies, the Toyota Supra is the big-kid bike that hones fine motor skills. It drives with a back-to-basics purity that is easily controlled but not exactly forgiving. With enough torque to spin the car in any corner and handling that's as neutral as Switzerland, the Supra doesn't suffer fools gladly. Either you learn to move your hands and feet in unison or you'll eat turf and tire wall.
The Supra is in its element on every inch of the Grand Course's 4.1 miles, but nowhere more so than on the final third of the track. The infield through Hog Pen is a series of sweeping combinations that could be described as a bunch of freeway on-ramps stitched together. Through those sections, a steering wheel cuts back and forth like a low-frequency pendulum, never really settling in one direction.
Michael SimariCar and Driver
The Toyota skates from track edge to track edge with the deftness of a lighter car. Slightly soft by today's standards, the suspension moves around under duress, but the amount of squish and bounce communicates to the driver how close you are to the limit in a way the steering doesn't. That said, you can consistently steer the Toyota with precise throttle control, a key advantage in this section of the track.
A 3:01.4 lap punches above the Supra's pounds-per-horsepower ratio, landing amid 500-hp giants including the 2006 Corvette Z06 and Viper SRT10. In the 13 years of Lightning Lap, only two cars have run faster with less power: the Ariel Atom 3 and the KTM X-Bow, which are essentially full-size go-karts with fun-size curb weights. And yet, the Supra is just as capable of thrilling your inner child as either of them. Master the Supra's balance and you'll rediscover youthful joy.
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PS - look at the C&D lightning lap between the RC-F track edition and the Zupra. Sure very different vehicles, but one is all Toyco and the other leveraged from BMW. Guess who wins on the track....
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The faux air dams can actually made functional, but I believe Toyco is reserving it for a hipo track model. Case in point, the hood vents can actually funnel hot air out, if they are removed or drilled to (it actually routes to the engine). Likewise the front covered air dam grill. If it is replaced with a open style grill, it would direct air into the intake box.
On another note, I have the four door Supra (like how I did that) and I will say the engine is superb and someone has already done 12.08 at 114 bone stock with all season tires, no tricks, etc. Not too shabby. Some have dyno’d close to 400 at the wheels bone stock. when it is rated at 382 hp at the engine.
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Toyota tells you the faux air dams can be made functional but they really can’t and even if you do try and make them functional they really don’t add much benefit. There is a video of a guy named Jackie that tracked his car (before he wrecked it) on MKV forum that shows why the functionality of the air dams are BS.
On another note, I have the four door Supra (like how I did that) and I will say the engine is superb and someone has already done 12.08 at 114 bone stock with all season tires, no tricks, etc. Not too shabby. Some have dyno’d close to 400 at the wheels bone stock. when it is rated at 382 hp at the engine.
On another note, I have the four door Supra (like how I did that) and I will say the engine is superb and someone has already done 12.08 at 114 bone stock with all season tires, no tricks, etc. Not too shabby. Some have dyno’d close to 400 at the wheels bone stock. when it is rated at 382 hp at the engine.
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with the money these zupras are selling for one could basically get a GT-R at that point which is the actual track weapon, but not something you'd be happy spending time in for a several hundred mile journey... the supra however is a great long distance cruiser, an aspect i worry is missing from the zupra
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well i haven't driven a zupra yet so i guess i can't comment on the ride quality... but compared to its 'predecessor' the zupra is more cramped and less comfortable inside, and this focus on the track and lap times leads me to believe that the ride will be quite firm and not very grand tour-y like a supra... i'm glad the RC lost, that most likely means it's much more comfortable (like a lexus ought to be)
with the money these zupras are selling for one could basically get a GT-R at that point which is the actual track weapon, but not something you'd be happy spending time in for a several hundred mile journey... the supra however is a great long distance cruiser, an aspect i worry is missing from the zupra
with the money these zupras are selling for one could basically get a GT-R at that point which is the actual track weapon, but not something you'd be happy spending time in for a several hundred mile journey... the supra however is a great long distance cruiser, an aspect i worry is missing from the zupra
You're comparing a new MKV to a used GTR for $50K? 50K will get you a 2009-2010 GTR with at least 50K miles and hopefully bone stock and not abused. Have you owned a MKIV or driven one?