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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 05:18 AM
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The mode in which that steering rack was failing would be very hard to “explain away” with any engine tuning/upgrade/catastrophic failure. From what I understood (from the video) gears were popping out which disconnected the steering wheel from the rest of the rack, which was possibly due to incorrectly assembled rack assembly at the factory. That is very bad...
If that is remotely true, I would give it no more than 20-30 days before the first class action lawsuit is filed... And if in that time period someone gets killed because of that, that would seal the deal...
The fact that Toyota tech sent away the customers with that problem, could also increase possible punitive damages assigned by the jury to BMW/Toyota (however they decide to split the blame)....
that video mentioned other BMW products having the same steering issue, i think when it comes down to it, its not toyotas fault. Especially if its an on going issue for years with BMW
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
that video mentioned other BMW products having the same steering issue, i think when it comes down to it, its not toyotas fault. Especially if its an on going issue for years with BMW
While I agree with you that it was most likely BMW designed, Toyota should have done a better job testing all that, since they put their badge and reputation on it. I hope it is the only issue that pops up...but the sign is not good, that is for sure, as it seems to confirm the worst Toyota fan fears about Toyota-BMW partnership and Supra
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 10:02 AM
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12 mins into video the other owner's wearing a corvette hat.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
that video mentioned other BMW products having the same steering issue, i think when it comes down to it, its not toyotas fault. Especially if its an on going issue for years with BMW
Put your badge on a car you own it, any problems are your responsibility. That makes it Toyota's fault.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Put your badge on a car you own it, any problems are your responsibility. That makes it Toyota's fault.
Yep, in fact that argument was tried by manufacturers in court, and it failed. Basically, if you are a manufacturer, your are not allowed to say “hey, they is not our components, because we only bought them and assembled them, therefore it is not our company responsibility, but rather a responsibility of that component manufacturer”. Courts disagreed.
Toyota (or any other manufacturer) warrantees a car as a whole, even though some/all components were outsourced. So, direct blame is on toyota. But then toyota might turn around and sue/work out some kind of deal with bmw on who is responsible. In fact, they probably already have it in writing as their agreement before they even started working on the car.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Put your badge on a car you own it, any problems are your responsibility. That makes it Toyota's fault.
yes and plus it sounds like it was a well known issue!

also, didn't quite get it, but how on earth did one of steering racks get packed with grease and the other had none?

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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
yes and plus it sounds like it was a well known issue!

also, didn't quite get it, but how on earth did was one of steering racks packed with grease and the other had none?
Sounds like final assembly inspection missed that somehow. Wonder if it will be part of dealer PDI now.
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Old Sep 9, 2019 | 11:38 AM
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It's also no secret that auto companies sometimes have disgruntled employees that are willing to sabotage certain parts/assemblies or, by doing so, take out their frustrations on the customers that are going to be buying their product. In their minds, that is how they (sometimes quite effectively) get back at management for real or perceived wrongs. Or, alcohol or drugs could be at the root of the problem, with employees simply not concentrating on their job.
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Old Sep 10, 2019 | 05:42 AM
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Papadakis engine build is coming along nicely, I like the details he shared even touched on basic combustion 101 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0K2...fHvKHVHPEY-UH8
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Old Sep 11, 2019 | 01:43 PM
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It's interesting to see the route papadakis took. the market's doin well, and do it for the tube I guess, a little excessive if you ask me full BPU+, manual swap, full standalone and exhaust would have sufficed.
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Old Sep 21, 2019 | 01:53 AM
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After waiting for nearly 1.5months on one I ordered, I found another dealership with ones in stock willing to do MSRP and bought an Launch Edition today!

Initial impressions are very positive: handles great, tons of power, and lots and lots of looks from everyone! I feel like a kid all over again!

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Old Sep 21, 2019 | 04:27 AM
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^^^Congrats keep us posted on the modding and ownership experience.
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Old Sep 21, 2019 | 06:43 AM
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After waiting for nearly 1.5months on one I ordered, I found another dealership with ones in stock willing to do MSRP and bought an Launch Edition today!

Initial impressions are very positive: handles great, tons of power, and lots and lots of looks from everyone! I feel like a kid all over again!

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Congrats!
What car did you replace?
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Old Sep 21, 2019 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Congrats!
What car did you replace?
This will be replacing my 600hp Q60 RS



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Old Sep 21, 2019 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Put your badge on a car you own it, any problems are your responsibility. That makes it Toyota's fault.

Yep. Smh..
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