2019 Toyota Supra
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Toyota has read this thread. Toyota Supra with japan made 3JZ and manual transmission announced for 2022.
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-supr...kWasowji_Z3CVY
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-supr...kWasowji_Z3CVY
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Toyota has read this thread. Toyota Supra with japan made 3JZ and manual transmission announced for 2022.
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-supr...kWasowji_Z3CVY
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-supr...kWasowji_Z3CVY
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edit To tell you the truth, I'd probably rather pick up another car like mine used and turn it into 500 HP....I'd rather keep mine stock and know it's pretty reliable.....then play with another car. I'm pretty sure by now they can be bought for $8000-$11000 etc. Play money for a play car....much cheaper to insure too than a LS430 which is not cheap (not sure if driver demographics or loss experience that drives it up).
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I meant to post this sooner but March has been super hectic month lol.
Anyway before this Coronavirus- i went to a Toyota dealer and finally sat in new Supra.
when it first came out, several dealers i went to refused to let me sit in the damn car! Now nobody even cares, it was parked on the side of the showroom not in main area even.
Let me preface below opinions by being an owner of a BRZ which has in my opinion one of the best driving positions of any car in any price range that i have sat in with amazing visibility and headroom.
New Supra is complete opposite! The only recent modern car that has a more horrendous seating position and outward visibility is the Camaro.
Some examples:
1)There is no way to properly get out of the Supra without hitting your head on the headboard above the door.
2)The dash ergonomics are awful. Everything points away from the driver and I wasn’t impressed by materials quality for $57k.
3) The seating position itself is very poor. You are not sitting low enough, there is little to no space inside and forward visibility is nonexistent.
In summary -
This chassis was made by BMW to only be a Roadster.
The coupe is a complete afterthought.
Even if they put a manual and raise it to 500hp - I would still take a pass.
Anyway before this Coronavirus- i went to a Toyota dealer and finally sat in new Supra.
when it first came out, several dealers i went to refused to let me sit in the damn car! Now nobody even cares, it was parked on the side of the showroom not in main area even.
Let me preface below opinions by being an owner of a BRZ which has in my opinion one of the best driving positions of any car in any price range that i have sat in with amazing visibility and headroom.
New Supra is complete opposite! The only recent modern car that has a more horrendous seating position and outward visibility is the Camaro.
Some examples:
1)There is no way to properly get out of the Supra without hitting your head on the headboard above the door.
2)The dash ergonomics are awful. Everything points away from the driver and I wasn’t impressed by materials quality for $57k.
3) The seating position itself is very poor. You are not sitting low enough, there is little to no space inside and forward visibility is nonexistent.
In summary -
This chassis was made by BMW to only be a Roadster.
The coupe is a complete afterthought.
Even if they put a manual and raise it to 500hp - I would still take a pass.
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I meant to post this sooner but March has been super hectic month lol.
Anyway before this Coronavirus- i went to a Toyota dealer and finally sat in new Supra.
when it first came out, several dealers i went to refused to let me sit in the damn car! Now nobody even cares, it was parked on the side of the showroom not in main area even.
Let me preface below opinions by being an owner of a BRZ which has in my opinion one of the best driving positions of any car in any price range that i have sat in with amazing visibility and headroom.
New Supra is complete opposite! The only recent modern car that has a more horrendous seating position and outward visibility is the Camaro.
Some examples:
1)There is no way to properly get out of the Supra without hitting your head on the headboard above the door.
2)The dash ergonomics are awful. Everything points away from the driver and I wasn’t impressed by materials quality for $57k.
3) The seating position itself is very poor. You are not sitting low enough, there is little to no space inside and forward visibility is nonexistent.
In summary -
This chassis was made by BMW to only be a Roadster.
The coupe is a complete afterthought.
Even if they put a manual and raise it to 500hp - I would still take a pass.
Anyway before this Coronavirus- i went to a Toyota dealer and finally sat in new Supra.
when it first came out, several dealers i went to refused to let me sit in the damn car! Now nobody even cares, it was parked on the side of the showroom not in main area even.
Let me preface below opinions by being an owner of a BRZ which has in my opinion one of the best driving positions of any car in any price range that i have sat in with amazing visibility and headroom.
New Supra is complete opposite! The only recent modern car that has a more horrendous seating position and outward visibility is the Camaro.
Some examples:
1)There is no way to properly get out of the Supra without hitting your head on the headboard above the door.
2)The dash ergonomics are awful. Everything points away from the driver and I wasn’t impressed by materials quality for $57k.
3) The seating position itself is very poor. You are not sitting low enough, there is little to no space inside and forward visibility is nonexistent.
In summary -
This chassis was made by BMW to only be a Roadster.
The coupe is a complete afterthought.
Even if they put a manual and raise it to 500hp - I would still take a pass.
1) Ingress/egress is fine for me 5'9", and I even have aftermarket seats.
2)Ergonomics very German, but I have a HUD so don't look down much.
3) I'm perfectly fine with seating (they are 9 way adjustable). Outward visibility is fine for me again even slumped in position. The only thing I don't like being shorter is the a-pillar view to the sides, because the large mirrors obstruct it on 90 degree turns.
I've not heard of much complaints from other owners, but different strokes for different folks...still living mine and hope to bump it up to 600-700whp soon.
Last edited by ST430; Apr 3, 2020 at 11:03 PM.
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But then I got home and looked the car up and it's in the 3's for 0-60? dang!! I would love to see a clutch appear out of nowhere, but then again, even BMW doesn't have one. Old habits are just hard to break, that's all. I need that 3rd pedal.
Just asking. How hard would it be for Toyota Motor to come up with their own inline 6 that could be deployed even in Lexus and Toyota? That would have been my preference over the B58, but who am I anyway lol
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As mentioned I saw one at Lowe's 2 weeks ago and the guy didn't even park it far away, like I did the LS430. I thought I would if that were mine, and I noted it did not look outrageous like say a 2019 or a 2020 Vette would, and also the owner was clearly mid 70's.
But then I got home and looked the car up and it's in the 3's for 0-60? dang!! I would love to see a clutch appear out of nowhere, but then again, even BMW doesn't have one. Old habits are just hard to break, that's all. I need that 3rd pedal.
Just asking. How hard would it be for Toyota Motor to come up with their own inline 6 that could be deployed even in Lexus and Toyota? That would have been my preference over the B58, but who am I anyway lol
But then I got home and looked the car up and it's in the 3's for 0-60? dang!! I would love to see a clutch appear out of nowhere, but then again, even BMW doesn't have one. Old habits are just hard to break, that's all. I need that 3rd pedal.
Just asking. How hard would it be for Toyota Motor to come up with their own inline 6 that could be deployed even in Lexus and Toyota? That would have been my preference over the B58, but who am I anyway lol
Toyota knew that they wont be able to recover the costs, so they never bothered. Instead, just like with a BRZ/FRS they found someone to shoulder the risk/rewards with.
Last edited by sunamer; Apr 4, 2020 at 07:04 AM.
Toyota lead eng responsible for Supra 2020 has said that in order to design a new sports car, they would have to spend about 1-1.3 BILLION dollars bring it to the market with all regulations and stuff. So, for just a new inline 6, I would say it would cost about 500-600M dollars to R&D.... minimum.
Toyota knew that they wont be able to recover the costs, so they never bothered. Instead, just like with a BRZ/FRS they found someone to shoulder the risk/rewards with.
Toyota knew that they wont be able to recover the costs, so they never bothered. Instead, just like with a BRZ/FRS they found someone to shoulder the risk/rewards with.
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Toyota lead eng responsible for Supra 2020 has said that in order to design a new sports car, they would have to spend about 1-1.3 BILLION dollars to bring it to the market with all regulations and stuff. So, for just a new inline 6, I would say it would cost about 500-600M dollars to R&D.... minimum.
Toyota knew that they wont be able to recover the costs, so they never bothered. Instead, just like with a BRZ/FRS they found someone to shoulder the risk/rewards with.
Toyota knew that they wont be able to recover the costs, so they never bothered. Instead, just like with a BRZ/FRS they found someone to shoulder the risk/rewards with.