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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 01:39 PM
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BMW Agreed to this alliance as long as Z4 is top dog.
New B58 Engine comes in 2 ways - either 335hp for X5, 540i or 382hp for MPerformance models like new M340i and Z4 M40i.

I honestly had hopes Toyota would make custom block or heads, something- get Yamaha involved.
To slap on a detuned version of BMWs motor is just weak and lazy.
Based on that MT article- Z4 is more raw, fun and livelier.

If you got $50-60k get Corvette or new M2comp.
Either of those cars have much greater tuning potential compared to B58 Supra mated to ZF auto trans.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I love the styling of the car. (if this car is bland, what car isn't bland? Sheesh) I do however agree about the interior. Very odd to have it just be a BMW interior...
To me the BRZ is cleaner design with long hood and no fake vents in the doors.
They also cost half the price.

This should be compared to Cayman, M2comp and Corvette - all of which are designed better imo.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 01:42 PM
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You're not getting an M2 Competition for 60 Grand. Start adding options you're topping out at 70K.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
ok so this is basically a bmw with toyota body panels and tuning. nothing wrong with that,:
This is supra lame. This is not even a Toyota. Its a rebadged BMW. Not made in Japan meaning there is no heritage. BMW engine. The interior is a BMW right down to the infotainment system and wireless Apple Car Play. Only interesting thing about this car is that its just two seats, and outstanding 0-60 performance times, but Toyota did not achieve this, BMW did.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 01:49 PM
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You're not getting an M2 Competition for 60 Grand. Start adding options you're topping out at 70K.
Go to bmwusa.com and build one for yourself - many ppl don’t realize how cheap it is and comes fully loaded.
Only real option is DCT.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3

Go to bmwusa.com and build one for yourself - many ppl don’t realize how cheap it is and comes fully loaded.
Only real option is DCT.
When you option it out to make it an M2 competition you're at $67K, add the taxes etc. You're over $70K. Not to mention dealers mark up the Competitions and don't negotiate much on them if at all.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 01:56 PM
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I would truly rather have this than an M2.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I would truly rather have this than an M2.
Please tell me 1 good reason why?
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kense
When you option it out to make it an M2 competition you're at $67K, add the taxes etc. You're over $70K. Not to mention dealers mark up the Competitions and don't negotiate much on them if at all.
Show me your build at $67k please!
With every option which there is only 2 - DCT and Executive Pack = $64k

Also new Supra will have Toyota dealer markups of at least $5k.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I would truly rather have this than an M2.
lol I'm not sure if you're serious. What?

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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:04 PM
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I was hoping it would be around 380 HP as early rumors suggested. 332 HP is kind of disappointing. Even though, it will be ight around 3500 lbs test weight, but horsepower sells cars these days.
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3


Show me your build at $67k please!
With every option which there is only 2 - DCT and Executive Pack = $64k

Also new Supra will have Toyota dealer markups of at least $5k.
You're obviously doing something wrong.

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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:20 PM
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Very good video of the Supra that does it much more justice in looks than any of the FRS like pictures I've seen thus far:

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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3


Please tell me 1 good reason why?
Because it looks like a half-assed shrunken sedan on steroids and not very "coupe" like...
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Old Jan 14, 2019 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Please tell me 1 good reason why?
Originally Posted by Kense
lol I'm not sure if you're serious. What?
Because I don't like the M2. I think it stubby and goofy looking (as ST430 said), interior doesn't do anything for me. I like the styling of the Supra, I like the interior better and I'd much rather have that.
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