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A major engine upgrade is no where on par with cosmetic changes. M2 was only out for 3 model years before getting a complete engine upgrade. Why didnt they just put M3/4 engine in the first place? Its also a middle finger to M3/4 owners.
Its the same logic though. Its only in your opinion that a major engine upgrade is no the same as cosmetic changes. What I was talking about wasn't even just cosmetic changes - it was new tech and features as well.
You have understand car changes happen every year, two years or three. There's no controlling it. If you are that worried about engine changes, buy a new car every year - because that's just how the business is.
i love it! i would have liked it to be much bigger as well.
Originally Posted by Kense
Looks like a large Miata
so much truth to this. i can hear the word on the streets and memes now much like how the FRS and BRZ is the new 240.
nice hardtop s2k/miata.
nice nissan 3X0Z!
what year 3X0Z is that?
what model year is that miata/s2k/3X0Z?
what kind of hardtop you got on that miata/s2k/3X0Z?
what kind of exhaust you got on that miata/s2k/3X0Z?
what body kit you got on that miata/s2k/3X0Z?
what engine you swap in that miata/s2k/3X0Z?
Embarrassing. It's a BMW Z4 for Pet's sake. It appears very little of Toyotas' work actually went into the car. So much for a legend.
Toyota supposedly had a hand in the tuning etc on the Supra....not sure what they did exactly until they officially release something we won't truly know.
Originally Posted by UDel
That's the problem, should have been benchmarked against a 911 or 928 type Porsche like the last Supra.
100% agree those would have been better benchmarks a smaller sportier lighter LC chassis would have worked with the 3.5 V6TT from the LS500 but who knows why Toyota went the route they did.
Hopefully Monday's reveal will have a lot of info.
100% agree those would have been better benchmarks a smaller sportier lighter LC chassis would have worked with the 3.5 V6TT from the LS500 but who knows why Toyota went the route they did.
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This has been the new trend with Toyota sports cars lately. Share development costs with other manufacturers (Subie and BMW) or use old parts (5L V8, RCF, GSF)
The MKV will never be good enough for MKIV owners and enthusiasts. Toyota already did the research on this and knows all of these things. So why try and fill that niche market? The MKIV is legendary and deserves every bit of the praise that it gets. So many good things on that car that were innovative. This is not that car and wouldn't be good enough anyway.
This is a car aimed at a much different generation of buyers. I agree with pizzafan. You already have two GT cars in the Toyota stable right now and they don't do well. So what sense does it make to create yet another large two door?
A major engine upgrade is no where on par with cosmetic changes. M2 was only out for 3 model years before getting a complete engine upgrade. Why didnt they just put M3/4 engine in the first place? Its also a middle finger to M3/4 owners.
The engine in the M2 is a detuned version of the M3/4 engine. Since the M2 and M3/4 are almost the same weight, the M2 does not step on the M3/4's toes.
Originally Posted by MattyG
The MKV will never be good enough for MKIV owners and enthusiasts. Toyota already did the research on this and knows all of these things. So why try and fill that niche market? The MKIV is legendary and deserves every bit of the praise that it gets. So many good things on that car that were innovative. This is not that car and wouldn't be good enough anyway.
This is a car aimed at a much different generation of buyers. I agree with pizzafan. You already have two GT cars in the Toyota stable right now and they don't do well. So what sense does it make to create yet another large two door?
Agreed. A modern Supra is a hard sell in this market. The market for larger GTs is crowded and Toyota would have had a difficult time putting a dent in it because there are so many good cars out there making insane power that still handle well!
The MKV will never be good enough for MKIV owners and enthusiasts. Toyota already did the research on this and knows all of these things. So why try and fill that niche market? The MKIV is legendary and deserves every bit of the praise that it gets. So many good things on that car that were innovative. This is not that car and wouldn't be good enough anyway.
This is a car aimed at a much different generation of buyers. I agree with pizzafan. You already have two GT cars in the Toyota stable right now and they don't do well. So what sense does it make to create yet another large two door?
This is all true. GT's are a hard sell these days. Therefore, what Toyota is doing with the Supra makes sense. But calling it a Supra does not. Maybe Celica would have been better for this type of vehicle. What I am seeing here does not do the Supra name justice. It's a new approach that should have a different name.
