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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Will merge with Official 3-series thread shortly.


3 Series excellence, continued
By Jason Kavanagh Email | Blog
Date posted: 07-16-2006






First Impressions:
Splits the difference between non-M and M-cars with verve, which is no mean feat.

300-hp twin-turbo inline six with direct injection
25 percent stiffer chassis than 3 Series sedan
New six-speed auto optional








Normally, coupes are exercises in vanity: all fluff and no substance. Ego-trumping sensibility. Liberace *****-slapping Alan Greenspan. No one knows this better than BMW, which has been in the 3 Series game since Gerald Ford was cracking his knuckles in the Oval Office. It's getting pretty good at the game, as evidenced by the outstanding latest version of the 3 Series, which debuted as a 2006 model in "E90" sedan form only. As in previous generations, the coupe version is released just when the panting over the sedan has subsided.

With the 2007 BMW 335i Coupe, the second-stage booster of the 3 Series family is alight, hurtling the 3 Series along its intended path with renewed thrust. Really, though — does anyone need a coupe version of the newest 3 Series? The coupe would only be gilding the lily if it didn't offer up anything other than sheet-metal revisions.

It does, and you do.

New metal, familiar face
Longer, lower and completely restyled, the coupe shares critical chassis and suspension hard points with the sedan. To our eyes, the coupe is the more attractive of the two, especially from the rear. BMW's design team was shooting for elegance in the exterior styling, and it is indeed handsome without resorting to tiresome retro design cues.

It's a little puffy-looking in the midsection, but that's hard to avoid considering the 3 Series has grown the way it has. Remember the 8 Series Coupe? Well, the 335i rides on a wheelbase 3 inches longer than that car. Fortunately, the 335i avoids the perpetual weight gain of modern cars, squeaking in at 22 pounds lighter than its sedan stablemate, despite besting the sedan's chassis stiffness by 25 percent.

Inside, the coupe's cabin looks familiar, but those are redesigned front seats mounted a little more than half an inch lower than in the sedan. Like a robotized butler, new automatically deploying "feeders" shove the belts to within easy reach of front-seat occupants, and disappear from view when not needed. A neat touch.

The rear seat is divided by an extension of the center console, making the coupe a 2+2 only. Usually this is a proclamation of useless packaging, but in reality the rear seats are still sensibly sized, accommodating the extremities of 6-footers in relative comfort.

The turbo engine for those who don't like turbo engines
Powered by a twin-turbocharged, intercooled 3.0-liter inline six loosely based on the engine currently found in the 3 Series, the 335i's engine is the first turbocharged gasoline BMW engine in decades. The turbo engine forgoes the aluminum-magnesium block found in the normally aspirated variants in lieu of an all-aluminum block. Direct injection, whereby the fuel is introduced into the combustion chambers rather than into the intake manifold, improves efficiency and performance by cooling the intake charge, allowing a high 10.2:1 compression ratio.

BMW pegs the 335i's 0-62-mph acceleration at 5.5 and 5.7 seconds for the manual and automatic, respectively, courtesy of the new turbo mill's 300 horsepower at 5,800 rpm and 295 pound-feet of torque from 1,300-5,000 rpm.

Turbo lag, the period of time between throttle application and the turbo's ability to provide meaningful boost, is essentially nonexistent for all practical purposes. Only in higher gears when modulating the throttle to adjust the handling balance can the engine's artificially aspirated nature be detected. Other than that, this new turbo engine simply feels like a larger-displacement, normally aspirated engine.

Equally surprising is that there is no audible indication of turbocharging, either — the characteristic intake whoosh and turbo whine are completely absent, and there's no bypass valve chuffle, either. The only clue that there's something else going on other than normal aspiration is a slightly bassier exhaust note. That, and the wallop of the torque plateau, giving the 335i a linear thrust that pulls eagerly to the 7,000-rpm redline. Expect to see this turbocharged engine in other BMW models currently housing a straight six — 5 Series, X3 and the M Roadster/Coupe are the most likely candidates.

Reduced-slush 'box
Equipped with the six-speed manual gearbox, the 335i shifts smoothly, much the same as the sedan, though throws are still not Mazda MX-5 short. There's also a new six-speed automatic transmission, which drives impressively (did we just say that about a slushbox?), its manual mode shifting rapidly and holding gears as long as the driver pleases. There's still the impression of a torque converter soaking up some power, but its operation has a delicacy not normally associated with such wretched devices.

Two wheel-mounted shift paddles are set up the way God intended, with thumb-presses to downshift and paddle-pulls to upshift. Works great if you always keep your hands at 9 and 3. Thing is, wheel-mounted controls are never in the same place once the wheel is cranked over, so drivers who continually shift hand position will still pine for column-mounted paddles.

Uprated chassis
Suspension changes relative to the sedan consist of a little more than a half-inch lower ride height, revalved dampers, larger-diameter stabilizer bars, slightly higher spring rates, polyurethane shock bushings and reworked bumpstops. This "sport" suspension, optional on lesser 3 Series coupes, is standard equipment on the 335i Coupe, and although a softer "base" suspension will be available for the 335i, skip it.

Offering an impressive ride/handling trade-off, the sport suspension also never beats you up; its damping is firm, yet compliant. Get really bombing along a bumpy road and you'll become intimately familiar with those new bumpstops, but they're progressive and friendly. In nearly every other situation the handling remains collected and connected, with plenty of steering feel and intuitive, eager turn-in. The steering ratio feels quicker off-center than the sedan, but is actually the same ratio at 16:1. Feeling as natural and reassuring as ever, the 335i's brake hardware is carried over from the sedan.

On the absurdly scenic roads outside Innsbruck, Austria, moderate understeer was the primary handling mode, though controllable power oversteer could easily be induced in lower-gear turns. One surprise was the seeming lack of grip. At first, we assumed the chassis was being pantsed by lame tires, but its 225/45R17 front and 255/40R17 rear Bridgestone Potenza RE050As aren't known for being grip-averse. Previous experience with the RE050As, a summer tire, has been positive, so maybe the 335i's lack of drama on the limit fooled our butt-skid pad. We'll see how the 335i fares on U.S. roads and our non-gluteal skid pad when we do a proper full test. For those who prefer even less grip, all-season tires will be standard. Eighteen-inch wheels, Active Steering and the RE050As are optional.

Everything in its place
With the 335i Coupe's additional slug of power, BMW had to take care not to tread into M territory while still adequately distinguishing it from lesser 3 Series. It succeeded. In contrast to the M-cars' high-revving, normally aspirated intense character, the turbocharged 335i has a more docile, relaxed manner. It feels confidently capable but doesn't tug at the leash like an M3, which will seriously out-power the 335i anyway.

Each approach has its place, though the boosted 335i may ultimately prove to be more attractive as a tuning platform once aftermarket tuners learn the subtleties of direct injection and crack the labyrinthine engine control system.

Packing good looks, a friendly chassis and enough engine to make it entertaining, the 2007 BMW 335i Coupe delivers on the promise hinted at with the debut of the E90 sedan. Consider us all geared up for the M3.

Edmunds attended a manufacturer-sponsored event, to which selected members of the press were invited, to facilitate this report.












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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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edmunds seems to drive cars like grandma, on one test they got the IS350 to 6.1 sec, and this thing to 5.7 (comparing autos). I know this car can hit 5.0 flat
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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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Yay

More journalists b****ng off to the 3 series. It gets kind of old.
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
edmunds seems to drive cars like grandma, on one test they got the IS350 to 6.1 sec, and this thing to 5.7 (comparing autos). I know this car can hit 5.0 flat
That was BMW specs, not Edmunds test times.

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5.7 sec for automatic is pretty good. Only trails IS350 by half a second.

There will probably be chip mods for the 335 though, like how tuners have been tuning VW/Audi's turbo engines. It's one way to get some effective gains without playing too much with German electronics.
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"Two wheel-mounted shift paddles are set up the way God intended, with thumb-presses to downshift and paddle-pulls to upshift."

I couldn't disagree more.

"Works great if you always keep your hands at 9 and 3. Thing is, wheel-mounted controls are never in the same place once the wheel is cranked over, so drivers who continually shift hand position will still pine for column-mounted paddles."

Way to show the flaws in your own opinion


Sounds like a sweet car. Gotta love turbo inline motors.
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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobeCLK
5.7 sec for automatic is pretty good. Only trails IS350 by half a second.

There will probably be chip mods for the 335 though, like how tuners have been tuning VW/Audi's turbo engines. It's one way to get some effective gains without playing too much with German electronics.
haha :-)......
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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobeCLK
5.7 sec for automatic is pretty good. Only trails IS350 by half a second.

There will probably be chip mods for the 335 though, like how tuners have been tuning VW/Audi's turbo engines. It's one way to get some effective gains without playing too much with German electronics.
I don't think that's good at all. The car is only producing 6hp less and has significantly more torque and its lighter. I'll wait for the BMW *****s over at C&D to test it before I make a judgment call on the 335i
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Originally Posted by replica
"Two wheel-mounted shift paddles are set up the way God intended, with thumb-presses to downshift and paddle-pulls to upshift."

I couldn't disagree more.
That's right. I think the optimal paddle position is a left paddle for downshifts and a right paddle for upshifts, ala Ferrari.
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The problem with left and right is that it can get confusing when the wheel is turned 180 degrees, where as the paddle and thumb buttons might take some getting use to, there won't be that confusion.
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Love it, except the dash.

Where's the Supra fans that want a modern twin turbo inline-6? Here it is!
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Originally Posted by Ramon
The problem with left and right is that it can get confusing when the wheel is turned 180 degrees, where as the paddle and thumb buttons might take some getting use to, there won't be that confusion.
The F1 cars have the paddles mounted on the wheels, so that might be the case. However, on the 360 Modena, the paddles are mounted on the steering column, so they stay at the same place even when the steering wheel turns. I think that's very thoughtful, taking into account that street cars turn wheels all the way around.
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well, on real performance driving (go look at videos of real race, or those by tiff or clarkson), your hands stay at the 10 and 2 oclock locations and pretty much stay there all the time when turning. with that, you only need to remember what's "left" and "right"
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Originally Posted by Ramon
I don't think that's good at all. The car is only producing 6hp less and has significantly more torque and its lighter. I'll wait for the BMW *****s over at C&D to test it before I make a judgment call on the 335i
it is not lighter, but heavier...
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Originally Posted by rominl
well, on real performance driving (go look at videos of real race, or those by tiff or clarkson), your hands stay at the 10 and 2 oclock locations and pretty much stay there all the time when turning. with that, you only need to remember what's "left" and "right"
I agree. The difference between F1, and those performance driving elaluations and regular non professional drivers is the pros know never to shift in in the middle of a hard turn. They already downshift to the exit gear before they enter the turn. The pros know that shifting in a hard turn can disrupt the cars balance and that is never a good thing. Sure they shift on bends and mild curves, but never on a turn that would require that much steering input. That is why having the paddle shifters on the steering wheel makes more sense too me. When you have your hands on the steering wheel the paddles will always right at your finger tips even around a mild bend or curve. If it were on the steering column and you tried to shift while going around a mild bend the paddle shifter would be in the wrong place and you would have to reposition your hand to shift. I really don't understand why the Ferrari street cars have it on the column as that seens to go against high performance driving techniques.
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