He has been literally one of the biggest EV advocate on here for years, when it was other people's money and other's people complaints about how they fit into their lives and schedule. Now, literally one extra stop for 11 minutes a few times a year is a disqualifier for him.

 

And then also stop telling other people how their annoyances with EVs aren't valid.

 

Shouldn’t be. If I get here with 15% range that’s plenty.

This is the main concern of people who haven’t adopted EVs, so 95% of buyers. So it’s going to get discussed as people decide to adopt EVs.

Come on, you’re a smart guy. You know the difference between being stuck somewhere with a vehicle that needs charged and having a dead phone.

So I’m in WV now, we stopped at Buc-ee’s for about 30 min or so getting food and shopping and using the bathroom, so a 30 min stop here would work well.

The outlet is in his shed, it’s not a garage and would require a long cord. It’s not wired properly, it would have to be redone in order to use it safely

I think the thing to do is to rent a similar EV and drive it down here and see how it goes firsthand. If ABRP is being conservative it might not be so bad.

 

i’m chuckling because at some point we will have rapid, widely available charging, then what will be said… “oh i miss the smell of exhaust fumes and a dipstick”

 

Sorry, your issues with plugging a car in parked next to an outlet was silly. You clearly have an EV and it’s not a big deal so I was right.

 

From what I remember Steve was just overly optimistic about the rate the charging infrastructure was going to develop, and the rate at which battery tech was going to advance. Clearly things have pretty much stagnated, as I've always predicted, lol, except EV advocates making up nonsense. We're down to 11 minutes now I see.

 

I really am not interested in limiting my speed to stretch electricity. I want to be able to just drive my car the way I want to and be able to make a trip like this work without stressing about it. Like you said though I totally accept your experience that what ABRP is saying is conservative. I think this summer I will rent an EV with similar range and drive it down here and see how that goes. We have until the end of September to replace the Pacifica.

 

You're the one in an EV thread raging about them lol.

 

What? I made a handful of posts in the EV thread, hardly any of them were even argumentative.

I don't even have much interest in EVs, they don't fit my lifestyle and NYC will never get sufficient charging infrastructure.

 

Give it 3 years till midlife refresh - and TZ long range option will be available.
TMC will catch up.
Even lead as a front runner...

 

Hard to keep up with the narratives here. Now Toyota is going all in on EVs and will become the leader? I thought it was super smart for legacy auto to drastically scale back electric vehicle plans.

 

Back in 2023, the bZ and RZ made a disgusting debut.
Today, the midlife refreshes are a big improvement, though obviously no long range for Steve.
However, I'm sure give it another 3 years till 8ES and TZ midlife refresh, and TMC may have a long range option for Steve.
I'm sure TMC will catch up.
Maybe even lead?
Who knows?

 

If Toyota ends up selling 10 million EVs/year it would be awesome, 2-3x reduction in cradle to grave energy usage. From a business perspective it's not exciting, Toyota will be lucky to make the same profit per vehicle (currently this is $1,300) it's a sideways business move.

 

True.

 

No, it's annoying. But I'm not so rigid and inflexible that I can't handle minor annoyances to get the major advantages.

And if a couple of extra stops a year for 11 minutes is more than a minor annoyance, you needed need to pull that stick out of your *** and learn to handle such a minor compromise that come with change if you really want an EV like you claim.

Or just wait until it works like ICE does, which is what you really want.