Lexus TZ Debuts!
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When I had the RZ for an extended time from Lexus, it honestly was amazing 80% of the time. We don’t drive much we don’t need a ton of range and we have access to other cars. So to drive around town it was perfect. Then our offices have free charging at the building. It was spacious for the size, had the normal Lexus familiarity etc. Wife really liked it
I likely will start a thread about our next family purchase being EV since Dominica is offering EV credits comparing to big import duties on ICE and larger engines.
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ok not lexus as a whole perhaps, although once you went mercedes, pretty sure you posted a mountain of comments about how bad the ls500 was.
sure ok. too bad you won't stop repeating about the family trip a thousand times and how you think th tz is 'pathetic', but ok.
The effort is pretty pathetic in that they are here with a brand new vehicle that struggles to compete with products that have been out for several years and on the cusp of new products coming out that will blow it away in performance and range.
nice try. you keep making it about you as the archtetype tz customer needing to get to the middle of nowhere where there's hardly any charging available (not lexus' fault).
ok, i'm done.
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Families with little kids might not be the target market for the TZ.
Everyone has different needs and wants. There is a degree of compromise with anything, thus far I'd say EVs already captured as much market as they can with current range/charging/infrastructure conditions. Lets see where we are in the next 10 years, but I honestly think PHEV is the best of both worlds. A good friend of mine just went from a Tesla to a PHEV X5, and he couldn't be happier. I understand PHEV Toyotas are selling like hotcakes. TZ is essentially TX for those who want full EV, they sell PHEV TX as well. More choice for the man.
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Like I said before, if they’re going to win over people who arent EV buyers they’ve got to make it easier to swallow. That’s going to be an issue overall since most of the adopters are already in EVs and buyers aren’t forced to adopt or financially incentivized to. You’ll see this year will be the first year where EV share drops YoY in the US.
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Everyone has different needs and wants. There is a degree of compromise with anything, thus far I'd say EVs already captured as much market as they can with current range/charging/infrastructure conditions. Lets see where we are in the next 10 years, but I honestly think PHEV is the best of both worlds. A good friend of mine just went from a Tesla to a PHEV X5, and he couldn't be happier. I understand PHEV Toyotas are selling like hotcakes. TZ is essentially TX for those who want full EV, they sell PHEV TX as well. More choice for the man.
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I totally get this.
In reality, I couldn't care less about range, but you know who does? My wife. And you know what car I'm ready to replace? My wife's (Highlander).
She has a 6 mile round trip to work every day. I can't remember the last time she drove her car further than to the airport, at 26 miles away. But she loves the idea of charging at home and not needing a gas station.
I mean, we've had it for 7 years and it has 29k miles on it...
So I tell her we should get her an electric. "But I need to be able to drive it to Portland. Do they have the range to do that?"
She hasn't driven to Portland in years. YEARS. We have two other gas vehicles if she needs to do so. But no. This is a hard criteria for her.
By the way, Portland (Oregon) is 200 miles from us. Easily doable by most with a charging stop on the way or once arrived.
She wants a PHEV to cover these fictional trips.
In reality, I couldn't care less about range, but you know who does? My wife. And you know what car I'm ready to replace? My wife's (Highlander).
She has a 6 mile round trip to work every day. I can't remember the last time she drove her car further than to the airport, at 26 miles away. But she loves the idea of charging at home and not needing a gas station.
I mean, we've had it for 7 years and it has 29k miles on it...
So I tell her we should get her an electric. "But I need to be able to drive it to Portland. Do they have the range to do that?"
She hasn't driven to Portland in years. YEARS. We have two other gas vehicles if she needs to do so. But no. This is a hard criteria for her.
By the way, Portland (Oregon) is 200 miles from us. Easily doable by most with a charging stop on the way or once arrived.
She wants a PHEV to cover these fictional trips.
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Everyone has different needs and wants. There is a degree of compromise with anything, thus far I'd say EVs already captured as much market as they can with current range/charging/infrastructure conditions. Lets see where we are in the next 10 years, but I honestly think PHEV is the best of both worlds. A good friend of mine just went from a Tesla to a PHEV X5, and he couldn't be happier. I understand PHEV Toyotas are selling like hotcakes. TZ is essentially TX for those who want full EV, they sell PHEV TX as well. More choice for the man.
it’s the fact that one has to stop that is the problem. And for a family vehicle, stopping can be very difficult as children are very hard to predict, the simple stopping could cause a meltdown. And unloading 3 children for 30mins can be incredibly difficult on some occasions and then reloading can be difficult if they end of to start to play. It can go so many ways.
Families with little kids might not be the target market for the TZ.
Families with little kids might not be the target market for the TZ.
Everyone has different needs and wants. There is a degree of compromise with anything, thus far I'd say EVs already captured as much market as they can with current range/charging/infrastructure conditions. Lets see where we are in the next 10 years, but I honestly think PHEV is the best of both worlds. A good friend of mine just went from a Tesla to a PHEV X5, and he couldn't be happier. I understand PHEV Toyotas are selling like hotcakes. TZ is essentially TX for those who want full EV, they sell PHEV TX as well. More choice for the man.
... She has a 6 mile round trip to work every day. I can't remember the last time she drove her car further than to the airport, at 26 miles away. But she loves the idea of charging at home and not needing a gas station.
I mean, we've had it for 7 years and it has 29k miles on it...
So I tell her we should get her an electric. "But I need to be able to drive it to Portland. Do they have the range to do that?"
She hasn't driven to Portland in years. YEARS. We have two other gas vehicles if she needs to do so. But no. This is a hard criteria for her.
By the way, Portland (Oregon) is 200 miles from us. Easily doable by most with a charging stop on the way or once arrived.
She wants a PHEV to cover these fictional trips.
I mean, we've had it for 7 years and it has 29k miles on it...
So I tell her we should get her an electric. "But I need to be able to drive it to Portland. Do they have the range to do that?"
She hasn't driven to Portland in years. YEARS. We have two other gas vehicles if she needs to do so. But no. This is a hard criteria for her.
By the way, Portland (Oregon) is 200 miles from us. Easily doable by most with a charging stop on the way or once arrived.
She wants a PHEV to cover these fictional trips.
that 600mi phev should be able to cope with a 52mi. round trip to the airport
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The RZ is nice little EV. The inteior is a cut above an RX or ES and has pretty good fit and finish in areas that used to appear on past Lexus models. Such a lovely steering wheel. Cool tricked out roof that clouds over. Also drives with reduced regenerative braking so it’s more like a conventional gas car. By far my favourite Lexus interior. But it’s still an EV, The RX500h F-Sport turbo4 and E-Axle is far more appealing.
Meaning this in good faith as always. Club Lexus has to have an edge. And for the most part the EV vs gas debate is always an entertaining one. Just seems past administrations tried too hard to tamp down on epic fights especially one on one arguments. Letting them go the distance and get it out of their system might beneficial. Members from the EV and the ICE seem to be getting along better of late
Nice What are the EV credits there?
Meaning this in good faith as always. Club Lexus has to have an edge. And for the most part the EV vs gas debate is always an entertaining one. Just seems past administrations tried too hard to tamp down on epic fights especially one on one arguments. Letting them go the distance and get it out of their system might beneficial. Members from the EV and the ICE seem to be getting along better of late
Nice What are the EV credits there?
Thanks for noticing. We definitely have let our hair down a bit and encourage the conversations. And it’s been great the name calling has pretty much stopped. I am experienced enough now to leave a thread and just do my job haha.