Lexus TZ Debuts!
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I fail to understand@SW17LS is actually in the TZ market and states some of his buying requirements and this is a problem. It is quite unbelievable and he is absolutely correct all the constant badgering is unappealing.
Some ICE buyers also have a range requirement. As a matter of fact one of the negatives people state about owning a Lexus crossover or suv is the small tank. Some people avoid the LX due to a small tank x lower MPG. A LX owner can gas up anytime anywhere. Steve is simply stating some of his concerns with range and wants 350. People state their issues with charging and waiting and that gets attacked as well.
Today I left the thread. Over it. I jump back in and see more pompous commentary.
Not against the rules but it stinks a thread up. I prefer fresh air.
Here fixed it for you.
If anyone has a long winded response save your breathe, it won’t be read.
Maybe everyone sit down and see the other side for ten seconds and don’t be so full of yourself and argumentative especially when someone is sharing something as simple as buying requirements.
Some ICE buyers also have a range requirement. As a matter of fact one of the negatives people state about owning a Lexus crossover or suv is the small tank. Some people avoid the LX due to a small tank x lower MPG. A LX owner can gas up anytime anywhere. Steve is simply stating some of his concerns with range and wants 350. People state their issues with charging and waiting and that gets attacked as well.
Today I left the thread. Over it. I jump back in and see more pompous commentary.
Not against the rules but it stinks a thread up. I prefer fresh air.
Here fixed it for you.
If anyone has a long winded response save your breathe, it won’t be read.
Maybe everyone sit down and see the other side for ten seconds and don’t be so full of yourself and argumentative especially when someone is sharing something as simple as buying requirements.
I think he should have more of a sense of humor about it. One of the biggest non-EV owning nuthuggers that dismissed others "excuses" for not purchasing an EV now has an "excuse" for why none of multitude of EVs work for him when it is time for him to lease again. Maybe he should just follow the advice he so readily gives to me and just find a way to laugh at himself about the entire situation. I am laughing about it, for sure.
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Just my thought/advice… might be better and easier for you to ignore the people trying to get a rise out of you… you’re entitled to to your requirements of an ev and anyone who says differently is irrelevant.
i regularly have to ignore “rage bait” in other threads that actually is my market. Clearly some can’t see how they come off…. So just ignore them and carry on….
i regularly have to ignore “rage bait” in other threads that actually is my market. Clearly some can’t see how they come off…. So just ignore them and carry on….
Meh, He's spent plenty of time trying to tell me what should and shouldn't be an issue/annoying/concerning for me with an EV before I actually purchased an EV 2 year ago. Still makes snotty dismissive comments about it. But that's the way it usually works. Always easier to dismiss everyone else's opinion when it not your life or money. Gets real when it's your life and money.
I think he should have more of a sense of humor about it. One of the biggest non-EV owning nuthuggers that dismissed others "excuses" for not purchasing an EV now has an "excuse" for why none of multitude of EVs work for him when it is time for him to lease again. Maybe he should just follow the advice he so readily gives to me and just find a way to laugh at himself about the entire situation. I am laughing about it, for sure.
I think he should have more of a sense of humor about it. One of the biggest non-EV owning nuthuggers that dismissed others "excuses" for not purchasing an EV now has an "excuse" for why none of multitude of EVs work for him when it is time for him to lease again. Maybe he should just follow the advice he so readily gives to me and just find a way to laugh at himself about the entire situation. I am laughing about it, for sure.
I give zero ***** what anybody says to me lol. Your argument that plugging your car in when its parked in your garage is a huge imposition is still completely ridiculous.
Last edited by SW17LS; May 16, 2026 at 07:50 AM.
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And I think your claim that it's such a huge imposition for you to make a couple of extra stops for a few minutes a couple of times a year is still completely, absurdly ridiculous. See how that works?
Funny thing is it worked like the gas station model I prefer instead of charging every day multiple times a day, your current excuse wouldn't be valid, but I'm sure something else would be an issue.
Funny thing is it worked like the gas station model I prefer instead of charging every day multiple times a day, your current excuse wouldn't be valid, but I'm sure something else would be an issue.
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And I think your claim that it's such a huge imposition for you to make a couple of extra stops for a few minutes a couple of times a year is still completely, absurdly ridiculous. See how that works?
Funny thing is it worked like the gas station model I prefer instead of charging every day multiple times a day, your current excuse wouldn't be valid, but I'm sure something else would be an issue.
Funny thing is it worked like the gas station model I prefer instead of charging every day multiple times a day, your current excuse wouldn't be valid, but I'm sure something else would be an issue.
This is the only issue I have with going EV, this and having product out there that I like but that product is arriving. Plugging in my car in my garage at night is no issue, we've been doing it for 3 years and the idea that someone would have a problem with that is absurd. Thats way better than having to stop and get gas when I'm out running around.
Last edited by SW17LS; May 16, 2026 at 08:17 AM.
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If it truly were a couple extra stops for a few minutes I would agree, but its not that. With a big 3 row EV with only 300 miles of range Its 30+ minute stops or a stop for an hour. Thats been the problem all along you all keep downplaying the issue we're discussing "reducing it to the ridiculous". None of you want to stop your car on a trip for an hour, you're just not being real.
This is the only issue I have with going EV, this and having product out there that I like but that product is arriving. Plugging in my car in my garage at night is no issue, we've been doing it for 3 years and the idea that someone would have a problem with that is absurd. Thats way better than having to stop and get gas when I'm out running around.
This is the only issue I have with going EV, this and having product out there that I like but that product is arriving. Plugging in my car in my garage at night is no issue, we've been doing it for 3 years and the idea that someone would have a problem with that is absurd. Thats way better than having to stop and get gas when I'm out running around.
And again, there are options that will get you what you want, but you've found reason to dismiss them too. And now the latest issue is what do you do when you get to your destination and need "driving around" juice.
Just stick with some variation of an ICE vehicle because you are way too picky and inflexible and set in your way to handle the compromises needed for an EV.
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Yet, you and most people still look for any excuse to spend their money on automobiles with ICE drivetrains. Just like you did last time you purchase. Just like you are doing now.
And again, there are options that will get you what you want, but you've found reason to dismiss them too. And now the latest issue is what do you do when you get to your destination and need "driving around" juice.
Just stick with some variation of an ICE vehicle because you are way too picky and inflexible and set in your way to handle the compromises needed for an EV.
And again, there are options that will get you what you want, but you've found reason to dismiss them too. And now the latest issue is what do you do when you get to your destination and need "driving around" juice.
Just stick with some variation of an ICE vehicle because you are way too picky and inflexible and set in your way to handle the compromises needed for an EV.
You can keep believing what you want but its not true. Wanting 350+ miles of range is not being "picky and inflexible".
Last edited by SW17LS; May 16, 2026 at 08:32 AM.
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This isn't my vehicle I'm shopping for, it has to be something that my wife wants. I would get an R1S but she thought it was too trucky. She likes the Lucid Gravity but I hate how they look. It has to be something both of us like and thats always a challenge. I chose my S Class over the i7 because I preferred the styling and the i7 didn't have enough range (300 mi).
You can keep believing what you want but its not true. Wanting 350+ miles of range is not being "picky and inflexible".
You can keep believing what you want but its not true. Wanting 350+ miles of range is not being "picky and inflexible".
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This isn't my vehicle I'm shopping for, it has to be something that my wife wants. I would get an R1S but she thought it was too trucky. She likes the Lucid Gravity but I hate how they look. It has to be something both of us like and thats always a challenge. I chose my S Class over the i7 because I preferred the styling and the i7 didn't have enough range (300 mi).
You can keep believing what you want but its not true. Wanting 350+ miles of range is not being "picky and inflexible".
You can keep believing what you want but its not true. Wanting 350+ miles of range is not being "picky and inflexible".
Moral of the story. Don’t listen to what people say, watch what they do.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rchargers.html
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I would like something not ugly. More like $1,200 a month but its in the ballpark.
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Well, in 2023 when the I7 got NACS, you liked the looks and range of it enough then to proclaimed that it would be your next car. Started a thread about it. Yet, you still spent your money on ICE and chose to go to gas stations.
Moral of the story. Don’t listen to what people say, watch what they do.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rchargers.html
Moral of the story. Don’t listen to what people say, watch what they do.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rchargers.html
Keep it up I can do this all day.
Last edited by SW17LS; May 16, 2026 at 08:58 AM.
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Great post and the dilemma me and others are wrestling with.
For my already long 750 mile trip I take once a year I don't want to add any more stress or work to it.
There's a time and place for everything but while I'm tired and trying to get to the hotel room I can't do that.
Traveling is work.
When I was young and full of vigor, sure add an extra hour in the trip, no biggie. Lol
However, as @spwolf mentions, there's massive time saved thru the rest of the year because I'd be charging at home.
I totally understand both sides and enjoy hearing everyone's ideas.
For my already long 750 mile trip I take once a year I don't want to add any more stress or work to it.
There's a time and place for everything but while I'm tired and trying to get to the hotel room I can't do that.
Traveling is work.
When I was young and full of vigor, sure add an extra hour in the trip, no biggie. Lol
However, as @spwolf mentions, there's massive time saved thru the rest of the year because I'd be charging at home.
I totally understand both sides and enjoy hearing everyone's ideas.
I used to do this 400 mile trip without stopping.
But, rarely anyone passes me on highway and there are thousands of drivers that drive a lot slower and can go a lot further on their drive. When I drove for 800 miles to Germany last summer, we did not lose anytime compared to friends in a diesel since they stopped to eat anyway, and traffic limited to 75mph meant we stopped every 3 hours.
Yet, you and most people still look for any excuse to spend their money on automobiles with ICE drivetrains. Just like you did last time you purchase. Just like you are doing now.
And again, there are options that will get you what you want, but you've found reason to dismiss them too. And now the latest issue is what do you do when you get to your destination and need "driving around" juice.
Just stick with some variation of an ICE vehicle because you are way too picky and inflexible and set in your way to handle the compromises needed for an EV.
And again, there are options that will get you what you want, but you've found reason to dismiss them too. And now the latest issue is what do you do when you get to your destination and need "driving around" juice.
Just stick with some variation of an ICE vehicle because you are way too picky and inflexible and set in your way to handle the compromises needed for an EV.
