The Miata is clearly serving a different purpose than a small CUV

 

"beat the rush" uh huh.

only one desirable TO YOU. lexus is doing just fine.

lol @ complete lack of understanding of manufacturing and how the 3 ad S share basically NOTHING. so while you may be "sure", i'm sure it's not happening that way at least!

the S and X were not mainstream vehicles, and tesla doesn't want to do niches any longer. granted their new roadster, from rumors, seems like it will be insane and expensive, and a new halo model.

 

Seriously though, if I see they start holding values or not depreciating much the closer I'll look. I really don't think the convertibles depreciate much, unfortunately. I'm glad there were what, 6 full model years of cars? Surely they made a decent number of them (anybody know?)....

Yeah and every single one of them sucks, that's my opinion. I'd lay out reasons for each model but I don't feel like it. You already know why.

I used to lust after almost every Lexus except the RX maybe.

 

There are a lot of Lexus vehicles that do not suck. They aren’t compelling enthusiast vehicles but they don’t suck.

In fact, I’m trying to think of one that “sucks” or is a terrible car…I can’t think of one.

You should go sit in some of the newer ones and even take one for a spin. The TX500h I drove really surprised me. It rode well, was tight and solid and smooth and refined, hid the 4 cyl well. The RX500h I sat in and didn’t drive had beautiful paint and looked very upscale inside and out (more so than the TX).

Would I buy one for my primary car as a car snob who prefers RWD and multi link suspensions and all? No. They don’t suck however.

 

Only my wife lusts for the Rx. Haha
She fell in love with it.

I was looking at a Hummer 2

 

Going to be a LONG time before values on the LC threaten to do anything but depreciate.

 

I wouldn't necessarily use that four-letter word to describe the Lexus CT200h or HX250, nor were they terrible cars, but, IMHO, after reviewing them, neither one of them, particularly the CT, should have been sold under the Lexus nameplate. Their road manners and general level of comfort/luxury were more akin to a small Toyota than to an upmarket brand. In its favor, however, the CT was, as I remember, the first American-market Lexus model to use the excellent NuLuxe upholstery........a seat-material that I was, admittedly, very impressed with.

 

I would say both the CT and HS sucked. But they don’t make them anymore. I do not think the UX sucks.

Not saying they have never made a bad car, just that they don’t make any right now.

 

i was shocked that i had my lc500 5 years and it only depreciated about 20%. had 2 dealers fighting for it.

the convertible was launched as a 2021 model. so year, i guess 6 years. the coupe was launched as a 2018 first (9 years).

but can't have it both ways... wanting a car that does depreciate so you can pay less, but doesn't depreciate (or gains) so you make when you sell...

 

And it arrives this coming Monday!

 

You're doing this again. I have a right to my opinion. Toyota reliability is in the toilet. Are you the one and only Car God? There's just not an appealing Lexus to me anymore. If the LX and GX had a V8 then let's talk.

Again, who died and made you King? Lexus sucks *** and is a shell of a brand compared to what it used to be, and Mercedes is right behind them.

 

While they may not be bad cars if you're looking beyond the badge, they "suck for a Lexus", and they suck compared to their German counterparts. I generally get grossed out by FWD, so if I was getting a car with economy underpinnings, I would just go with an actual economy car, not something dressed up to look like a luxury car. I'd take a well optioned Mazda model over any similar Lexus model, and it's not even a money issue, rather it's a great Mazda vs a shitty Lexus, lol.

 

Yep. It's crazy. Go back to the 90s up until about 2006, Lexus cars were stunning. The GS400 was just as good if not better than the 540 and E430. You read these articles and it's like a whole different company.

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The first attempt by Lexus to produce a mid-size sedan that would fill the gap between its flagship LS400 and the gussied-up, Camry-based ES300 was a dud. The old GS300 was an overpriced, flaccid performer, and it was forgettably styled despite its Giugiaro pedigree. It posed no threat to the class-leading Benzes, Bimmers, and Audis and was ignored by enthusiasts and luxury-car lovers alike. But the arrival last year of the new GS400, with its radical bodywork and 300-hp, 4.0-liter V-8, instantly elevated it into the heady German domain, proving to be capable of running nose to nose with the best of the breed. Had it not been for low scores in rear-seat capacity for three passengers—it was decidedly more cramped back there than it was in the four other back seats in this test—and debate over the new shape (some editors thought it dazzling, others felt it too bustle*-backed), the one-point loss to the BMW would surely have been reversed.

Performance-wise, the GS400 was for all intents and purposes the equal of the winning BMW. Zero-to-60 and quarter*-mile times were but a tenth slower—6.2 seconds to the BMW's 6.1, and 14.8 sec*onds at 97 mph versus the Bimmer's 14.7 at 98 mph. The Lexus bested the BMW in 70-to-0 braking distance (166 feet vs. 175), in top speed (148 mph vs. 131, both gov*erned), in fuel economy (24 vs. 22 C/D-*observed mpg), and on the skidpad (0.83 g to 0.81). It also scored better in such sub*jective evaluations as transmission effi*ciency (crisp and aggressive, aided by a manual-override mode controlled by shift buttons on the steering wheel), fit and finish, and general content.

Some complaint was registered over what a few test drivers believed to be a faintly choppy ride, perhaps traceable to the 235/45ZR-17 ultra-low-profile tires (although the BMW was similarly equipped). However, the overall handling of the Lexus received rave reviews, including such notations as "light, nimble, and ready to play," "I love the steering, no lost motion, easy to point," "perfectly weighted," and "the sports car of the bunch."

Save for the compacted rear seat, the GS400's interior also received high marks, centered on the ergonomically friendly instrument panel; and the backlit, silver*-blue-tinted instruments that automatically adjust to ambient light conditions.

Added to these appealing features is a sticker price of $50,347, the lowest in our luxury herd and more than five grand less than the winning BMW. Based on such numbers, one could certainly question the GS400's No. 2 finish. Suffice it to say that in this particular test, a one-point separa*tion in scores might be considered a tie. The new Lexus GS400 is that good.

 

I've been loosely watching the LC pricing and it appears things have bottomed out AND prices are starting to creep up. Even the well used/abused units (with higher mileage) are $60k+++

 

If I have to pay the piper a little bit so be it, but like you I keep an eye on the market. You only live once.

A yellow one with tan top and interior will pop up and I'll be unable to resist.