I never bought into the CO2 and carbon foot print stuff. Lol

CO2 is a green house gas as we all know.
It's literally pumped into green houses to get more yield from plants.

Without CO2, >> plants die >> then we die. Haha

The "green business" is a big money maker. Lol

 

Really? Because it seems totally obvious to me. Everything in nature is a balance, just because a natural process requires an element doesn't mean having too much of that element is not harmful. Nature isn't designed to have all of these exhaust gasses pumped into the atmosphere at these levels, it only makes sense that it leads to atmospheric changes,

 

Balance means no humans, you want that? Unless you know of a way to live carbon neutral but so far no one has figured it out. Everyone that claims to be all about saving the environment will NEVER give up their lifestyle.

 

Humans are a naturally occurring species on the planet. What isn’t natural are all of the artificial byproducts our living creates.

Obviously you can’t take it to the extreme but much has been done to mitigate the damage our lives do to the environment and more will need to continue to be done.

What I don’t understand is people who don’t see the logic in the fact that the artificial things we do and how those things throw nature out of balance has a negative impact on the planet. It’s just common sense.

 

Air pollution is a big concern for all of us.
I like clean air too.

Car emissions controls helps with that a lot.
Ev, even better.

But there is no perfect.
And, has it nothing to do with CO2 and the carbon footprint stuff they keep trying to sell us. Lol

 

No such thing as perfect, but it does have to do with CO2 and your carbon footprint.

Our emissions increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere which in turn increases the temperature of the earth. What would be hard to believe is that spewing all of that CO2 into the atmosphere WOULDN'T have any impact.

 

Years and years.....mannnnnnnny years ago there were many many volcanoes that spewed god knows what into the air. 80% of the earth is volcanic terrain.

Earth survived. And flourished.

Earth the planet can handle whatever we throw at it, even if we nuked the whole planet. 225,000 years for radiation to die off is nothing considering Earth has 4 billion-ish years left before it's engulfed by the Sun as a Red Giant.

I don't want that to happen, lol, but just for information's sake. Planet Earth will be fine no matter what the human race does to it, in time.

 

Earth survived. Most living things on it died. It’s not enough that the planet simply survive, we want us and our children and their children to survive and thrive also with healthy food to eat and water to drink and air to breathe. We want us and them to not be killed by hurricanes tornadoes and other storms that get stronger and stronger. We want their homes and life’s work to not be destroyed by rising sea levels.

No offense but you look at things differently when you have children. I honestly do not know if my children will be able to have a life as good as I have had. Because in many ways my life is not as good as what my parents had. So yeah, these things do concern me.

 

Just stop believing the news' bullshyt about climate change and all those problems go away for you.

We're fine. When they stop issuing 30 year mortgages for beach front properties then I may take note.

I don't have kids but nephews and a niece, so I do care.

Rising sea levels? Florida was supposed to be underwater in 2000. It's such bullshyt.

The Ozone fixed itself, part of it naturally and partly because we changed lots of stuff over. There was some treaty in the late 1980s that was worldwide but originated in I believe Canada.

So, we can actually fix things and make them better as well as pollute.

 

I lived in Los Angeles for 2 years, I never saw a spec of smog. Ever. Air was clean.

It used to be like, disgusting. (In)famous for it.

We fixed that, too.

 

Except when you talk to actual scientists it’s not bullshit at all. It also like I said makes total logical sense.

Having nephews and nieces and children of your own is different. Trust me, I had nephews and nieces before I had children.

What you miss is that we actually have come a LONG way towards improving this and our emissions as a country and actually worldwide are significantly lower than they were 30+ years ago. So, just because predictions that were made haven’t come to pass doesn’t mean that the concerns that drove those projections weren’t legitimate. Sea levels ARE rising, and we take extraordinary measures to protect sensitive land from being claimed by those rising levels. The rate of the rise of sea levels is also increasing.

Look at what just happened in Texas. Look at the number of 1,000 year floods that we have had in numerous areas over the past couple years. In Ellicott City in MD the entire town was wiped out by TWO 1,000 year floods in 5 years. Want to start trying to calculate the odds of that happening. Without question storms are getting stronger and the earth is getting hotter.

It’s just common sense that we should take reasonable measures to limit the amount of gasses we put into the air to slow that process down. I’m not saying we should
all live in eco pods and ride bikes, but I have a hard time getting worked up about engine stop start as an example when the goal is to try and reduce greenhouse emissions. I care more about my kids and their kids having a climate they can survive in than I do being irritated when my car shuts off at a red light.

 

We greatly improved it (we didn’t fix it entirely), but my point is we improved that by legally limiting what was put into the air manly by vehicles in LA. From what you have posted about here I would say you likely wouldn’t be in favor of any of those changes because they negatively impacted cars. That was a TOUGH transition for car lovers. At the time that all of those things were passed you would likely have been against them…looking back now would you prefer we still had leaded fuel and carburetors and all that smog or do you think the city is better now than it was in 1975?

The stuff you are against today are the next generation of things that our kids will look back on and say “we fixed the melting of the polar ice caps by doing that”. We don’t know what will achieve that yet but they didn’t know for sure what they were doing would solve smog in LA or repair the ozone layer either.

 

I'm not "against" or "for" anything. I care about the planet. I just don't believe a lot of the rhetoric out there, it's controversial just like all the trillion other things in life.

Why are we meeting or beating heat records....from ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO? Some of the worst hurricanes on record were wayyyyy back in the 20th as well. God only knows before they started keeping records.

I just don't think the weather is a grave threat for your kids or my niece and nephews, I refuse to use the CC word. Without going into it, I just don't buy into it. I respect it if you do, let's leave it at that.

 

Oh, and I'd DEFINITELY want fuel injection over carburetors. IDK how people even used cars with them in the cold northern states and Canada.

I just remember pictures of LA air that looked nearly as bad as some cities in China can get. It's now clean as a whistle. I had a view of the city, downtown from our apartment at the base of the hills.

 

Don’t listen to rhetoric, talk with experts. I know many climate scientists because of where I live, this is all very real. The number of severe hurricanes and storms has considerably increased over the past 5-10 years. There are many, many metrics where you can see the impact of global warming on our weather we see right now. Might those things be trends over time that predate our record keeping? It’s possible, but it’s also very possible that it’s not and there is plenty of evidence that it’s not. So, why not continue to advance the science of reducing our greenhouse gas emissions and lowering our carbon footprint?

As for weather not being a grave threat…those 25 camp girls went to sleep not worrying about weather and then it killed them. This absolutely is a threat, and it’s something that we should try and improve if we can. Even if these are natural changes, what we do to the earth accelerates the timelines of these changes and if we can delay that acceleration even for one generation, that’s one more generation of people that can live.