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Old May 15, 2025 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
My 540i used to remember the setting. An update must have reset that or when I flashed a tune. Now it resets every trip.
This happened to me as well, I used a tool called Bimmercode to change this setting back so that it remembers what I set the auto start/stop to. It cost me a few dollars but I felt it was worth it to get rid of the annoyance.
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Old May 15, 2025 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Yes but I DONT want to wear a seatbelt in my OWN car!
Why should I suffer from idiotic chime?

Well, with all due respect, two points. First, even in your own car, it's not a question if YOU want to wear the belts or not. In your own state (New York), the public law (upheld by the courts) is that all adults in a vehicle WILL wear their belts and be restrained, and, children, depending on age, will be in child or booster-seats. Second, legally, driving is not a God-Given-Right (or even a First-Amendment Constitutional right), but a privilege. When you sign for your license, you agree to follow the rules in your own state, and those of any other state you happen to drive in. Legally, these are not debatable issues...they are facts.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-yor...cle-33/1229-c/

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Old May 15, 2025 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Yes but I DONT want to wear a seatbelt in my OWN car!
Why should I suffer from idiotic chime?

Also the new cars don’t allow you to drive if door is open which is another idiotic rule. There plenty of times im moving my car slightly in my driveway or backing into the garage where it’s helpful to have door open so i can see my kids or stuff in the way.

These are all unnecessary restrictions to protect NOT the consumer but the Automaker from liability. Since consumers don’t have a lobby group vying for OUR interests, we get screwed.
Well, not wearing a seatbelt is illegal on top of being profoundly stupid. Carmakers are just trying to keep people safe.

As for not moving with the door open, again its for safety to try and protect people. With modern electronic shifters its very easy to forget and leave it in gear and go to get out of the car, which is why it goes into park. I have never found any reason to try and move my car with the door open, and I have young kids too. The car has 360 degree cameras and sonar assist etc. Just close the door.

Consumers do have lobbying groups, but in general they focus on keeping people safe vs letting them do things that are not safe just because they are obstinate. Which I support.

No chimes when you wear your seatbelt, I don't even think about putting it on, its automatic. In any event every car I have owned requires you drive a little distance before the chime starts, moving cars around in a driveway doesn't trigger it.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, with all due respect, two points. First, even in your own car, it's not a question if YOU want to wear the belts or not. In your own state (New York), the public law (upheld by the courts) is that all adults in a vehicle WILL wear their belts and be restrained, and, children, depending on age, will be in child or booster-seats. Second, legally, driving is not a God-Given-Right (or even a First-Amendment Constitutional right), but a privilege. When you sign for your license, you agree to follow the rules in your own state, and those of any other state you happen to drive in. Legally, these are not debatable issues...they are facts.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-yor...cle-33/1229-c/
100% agree.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Well, not wearing a seatbelt is illegal on top of being profoundly stupid. Carmakers are just trying to keep people safe.

As for not moving with the door open, again its for safety to try and protect people. With modern electronic shifters its very easy to forget and leave it in gear and go to get out of the car, which is why it goes into park. I have never found any reason to try and move my car with the door open, and I have young kids too. The car has 360 degree cameras and sonar assist etc. Just close the door.

Consumers do have lobbying groups, but in general they focus on keeping people safe vs letting them do things that are not safe just because they are obstinate. Which I support.

No chimes when you wear your seatbelt, I don't even think about putting it on, its automatic. In any event every car I have owned requires you drive a little distance before the chime starts, moving cars around in a driveway doesn't trigger it.
It’s not illegal driving on a private road or in a private area.
In my neighborhood driving my kids to their school, you can’t go past 15mph even if you wanted to. Zero need for seatbelt.

I don’t need a car that I own telling me what I can or can’t do.

You I’m sure drive “illegally” over the speed limit every day - you want the same rule as in EU where the car chimes nonstop until you go below that number lol

None of my cars have 360 cameras or sonar assist. My GT3RS doesn’t even have backup camera and super annoying to back into garage without opening the door.

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Old May 15, 2025 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Yes but I DONT want to wear a seatbelt in my OWN car!
If you're willing to personally accept all liability and cost (like if you crash and are horribly injured) then I have no problem with you not wearing a seat belt.
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Old May 15, 2025 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
If you're willing to personally accept all liability and cost (like if you crash and are horribly injured) then I have no problem with you not wearing a seat belt.
How would I not?

I'm pro seatbelt but I'm not gonna ever lecture someone to wear one, if they want to fly out the window and be killed if there's a serious impact then that's their choice.

That said, there are plenty of legit reasons people can't/won't wear one. Claustrophobia, bad health, extremely obese people etc etc.
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Old May 15, 2025 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
It’s not illegal driving on a private road or in a private area.
In my neighborhood driving my kids to their school, you can’t go past 15mph even if you wanted to. Zero need for seatbelt.
Unless your neighborhood and kids school is private property, seatbelt use is a legal requirement.

I don’t need a car that I own telling me what I can or can’t do.
Then get it turned off.

Look, like Mike said, driving is not a right. When you get a drivers license you agree to abide by requirements and laws that limit what you can and can't do. Thats just how it is. Its really not difficult to buckle your seatbelt up to avoid the chime, or to learn how to move a car around without the doors open...if you just refuse on principal to do those things and instead let yourself be frustrated and angry at how the car responds, the only person that damages is you.

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How would I not?

I'm pro seatbelt but I'm not gonna ever lecture someone to wear one, if they want to fly out the window and be killed if there's a serious impact then that's their choice.

That said, there are plenty of legit reasons people can't/won't wear one. Claustrophobia, bad health, extremely obese people etc etc.
Thats not how it works. People being hurt when driving increases medical and insurance costs for all of us. Lets put it this way, how about a clause in an insurance policy that failure to wear a seatbelt negates any coverage for your injuries? Car insurance, and health insurance. So if you're in an accident and you don't wear a seatbelt, you are paying out of pocket for all your medical care? Even then that wont work because that person would just file for bankruptcy and society would still be stuck with the cost.

There aren't any legit reasons not to wear a seatbelt. If you can't wear a seatbelt you really shouldn't be driving a car.

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Old May 15, 2025 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
It’s not illegal driving on a private road or in a private area.
In my neighborhood driving my kids to their school, you can’t go past 15mph even if you wanted to. Zero need for seatbelt.

I don’t need a car that I own telling me what I can or can’t do.

You I’m sure drive “illegally” over the speed limit every day - you want the same rule as in EU where the car chimes nonstop until you go below that number lol

None of my cars have 360 cameras or sonar assist. My GT3RS doesn’t even have backup camera and super annoying to back into garage without opening the door.
When you take your kids to school do you tell them there's no need to use their belts?
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Old May 15, 2025 | 12:54 PM
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Sometimes laws exist to remind and to protect people from their own obstinance and/or stupidity.
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Old May 15, 2025 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames
Sometimes laws exist to remind and to protect people from their own obstinance and stupidity.
And some people need a bunki and a bottle too! Haha 😁

Nobody here though, I'm a mature adult. Lol
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Old May 15, 2025 | 01:15 PM
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I'm a social libertarian so I'm not at all passionate about forcing people to wear them, and I'm definitely not one to bootlick the government.

However, I choose to wear my seatbelt every time I get in the car. It's just muscle memory at this point. I don't care if the government tells me to do it, I'm already doing it.
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Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
I'm a social libertarian so I'm not at all passionate about forcing people to wear them, and I'm definitely not one to bootlick the government.

However, I choose to wear my seatbelt every time I get in the car. It's just muscle memory at this point. I don't care if the government tells me to do it, I'm already doing it.
I wear mine by choice but I don't think it should be imposed on anyone.
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Old May 15, 2025 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
I wear mine by choice but I don't think it should be imposed on anyone.
The problem is, like I said the cost of the additional injury and death is imposed upon all of us, so society has a vested interest in making sure people take reasonable steps to protect themselves from injury. If the consequences of not wearing a seatbelt truly were only borne by the person who chose not to wear it I would agree.
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Old May 15, 2025 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The problem is, like I said the cost of the additional injury and death is imposed upon all of us, so society has a vested interest in making sure people take reasonable steps to protect themselves from injury. If the consequences of not wearing a seatbelt truly were only borne by the person who chose not to wear it I would agree.
That's a good point.
Sorry, I messed the posts above and just jumped.in without looking. lol
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