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Sep 16, 2024 | 04:49 PM

#4081

AJT123

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Originally Posted by patgilm

LOL you are 100% correct, now I can’t unsee it! Had you not said it I probably wouldn’t have noticed.

Same, total hearse.

Sep 16, 2024 | 04:50 PM

#4082

AMIRZA786

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I have no idea why they would come up with a design like that

Sep 17, 2024 | 10:45 AM

#4083

Allen K

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My wife hated the ride on the loaner '21 Y compared to her 18 3 and was so happy to have it back. Updated suspension was too floaty for her

Sep 17, 2024 | 10:51 AM

#4084

AMIRZA786

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen K

My wife hated the ride on the loaner '21 Y compared to her 18 3 and was so happy to have it back. Updated suspension was too floaty for her

Haha she grew used to the stiffer suspension

Sep 17, 2024 | 10:52 AM

#4085

BayeauxLex

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https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rwM...agen-e-golf-se

Anyone want a cheap EV?

Sep 17, 2024 | 10:57 AM

#4086

AMIRZA786

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

i think the thing that probably has 'traditional' car companies terrified is that tesla can move and change so quickly. that and their obvious manufacturing and cost advantage.

When the Model Y refresh comes out, there's going to be new shifts happening. If it's anything as refined as the new Model 3, I'll probably get the Model Y Performance over the M3 Performance

Sep 17, 2024 | 10:58 AM

#4087

AJT123

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I think the Model 3 refresh looks great.

Sep 17, 2024 | 11:00 AM

#4088

AMIRZA786

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Originally Posted by AJT123

I think the Model 3 refresh looks great.

That's a great compliment coming from you

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Sep 17, 2024 | 11:02 AM

#4089

AMIRZA786

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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rwM...agen-e-golf-se

Anyone want a cheap EV?

I can safely say, you don't want an EV from 2016

Model S would be the exception

Sep 17, 2024 | 11:12 AM

#4090

AJT123

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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

That's a great compliment coming from you

Lol, I also think the Model S is a great design because it's olllld and the new ones still look great too.

Oh, and it's the headlights of the refresh 3 that grab my attention... really sharp looking.

Sep 17, 2024 | 01:23 PM

#4091

Mike728

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen K

My wife hated the ride on the loaner '21 Y compared to her 18 3 and was so happy to have it back. Updated suspension was too floaty for her

The Y suspension wasn't updated until 2023. Ours is not floaty at all. The new redesigned M3 is a vast improvement. I hope they bring whatever they did to it to the new Y when it's released.

Sep 17, 2024 | 01:27 PM

#4092

AMIRZA786

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Originally Posted by Mike728

The Y suspension wasn't updated until 2023. Ours is not floaty at all. The new redesigned M3 is a vast improvement. I hope they bring whatever they did to it to the new Y when it's released.

I agree, my Y's suspension is on the stiffer side, not floaty at all. I would describe the Ioniq 5's suspension as a little floaty, but not in a bad way

Sep 17, 2024 | 01:46 PM

#4093

bitkahuna

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen K

My wife hated the ride on the loaner '21 Y compared to her 18 3 and was so happy to have it back. Updated suspension was too floaty for her

i think that's more a sedan vs cuv thing plus the '18 3 was probably as rock hard as tesla delivered.

even the 2024 x i test drove was pretty firm and that's an air suspension.

Sep 17, 2024 | 02:18 PM

#4094

Allen K

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She certainly has a unicorn of a 3. Aside from the roof crack and the issue with the body controller, it has been great for going on 5 years now. No rattles or other problems and the ride is nice and compliant. She's not going to replace it with another 3 because she likes having stalks and wants to try something different. We've got the R2 on order, but depending on when the R3 is expected to enter production that may end up being a lease instead of purchase

Sep 17, 2024 | 02:37 PM

#4095

1111GS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

i think that's more a sedan vs cuv thing plus the '18 3 was probably as rock hard as tesla delivered.

even the 2024 x i test drove was pretty firm and that's an air suspension.

Many say MY is smooth like butter (

) and such but to me... nah. Firm or not is very subjective. Even with air suspension, all tesla suspension are too firm for my taste. No where near comfort. Some say new 3 is better but I doubt they would make it more comfortable than x and s.