I went through the exact same thing when I got rid of my Lexus and got the lowest rated brand for reliability - Tesla.

Life does indeed continue 👍

 

Expanding upon that, 7 of the top 10 CR rated individual reliable vehicles are Toyota models. I don’t disagree Lexus current EV offerings are weak but I’d say you are much less accurate with your reliability readout from an overall brand perspective according to CR

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...s-a7824554938/





I think you’ve said that more than a few times, lol. To be fair you change your cars out every 3-4 years max so you rarely get outside of the ‘new car’ smell and reliability is less of a concern because of that.

Not saying folks can’t have great experiences with other brands at all. Just that (according to surveys) you are more likely to have a less reliable experience.

 

I'm not sure I understand the fascination with the LS430 - and I bought the last model year before the transition to the 460, so I speak from experience. It did ride well, it was comfortable, it was very well built and it never went wrong. But the handling, for its class and relative to its peers, was terrible, and it was underpowered. I haven't driven a 500, so no comment on that, but the 460s I drove all handled much better than the 430. It's a car I've never regretted selling. The 430 was great on the test drives, it was ownership that revealed more about the lack of power and particularly the ponderous handling (when compared to others in the class I tested, from BMW, Audi, MB and Jaguar).

 

This may be over reaching a bit, but Toyota's bz4x and the Lexus RZ e series is actually great marketing. Every single flaw mentioned about EV's by those less than enthusiastic about them are found in these particular BEV's. I mean if Toyota was my reference point and I thought the bz4x was the current BEV standard, I would definitely think a PHEV would be a better choice

 

BTW @signdetres , how's the EQS fairing? Haven't heard any updates from you in awhile

 

that would be good, plus for people who aren't technically aware with an ev and just need a visual pointer.

depends on CR's definition of 'reliability'. "can't figure out the infotainment" or just infotainment glitches are often cited in 'surveys'.

 

Oh it absolutely is, and has been done extremely successfully before:



That was a brilliant marketing coup that destroyed an entire product category. But it was launched just 8 months after that category was created. The bx4x/RZ are far too late to achieve anywhere near that level of impact.

 

No doubt Toyota makes a very reliable car, but the differences between a top rated car and a middle of the pack rated car or even a poorly rated car is not as huge as people believe it is. All cars today are pretty darn reliable. My point is, if you want to try something else, don’t be afraid. Toyota and Lexus are not the only companies that make a reliable car.

With all of the time I have spent now in Mercedes forums, it depends on the model. I would keep this S560 until 150k miles no problem, because this model has shown that it’s very reliable. Would I feel as comfortable with a 48v S580 or GLS or GLE? Probably not.

We are talking about EVs though which IMO are lease machines nobody is going to want to keep for 10 years. I would have zero concerns getting an EV from Mercedes or BMW etc, even less concern than an ICE car.

This was my experience with the LS430. Of the LSs I had, it was my least favorite. It was a lovely car and they are very well made and reliable, but they are frumpy looking IMO, and are very soft and not great handlers. The 400 and 460s have a better ride/handling balance. The LS500 I drove last week also had a great ride handling balance.

Now “least favorite” doesn’t mean I didn’t like the car, I did. It’s a great car. I just prefer the more dynamic feel of the other LS generations and my S560.

 

Well touche for excellent marketing from Toyota/Lexus! But it's only going to work for so long, not trying to sound like a broken record, but as people actually start driving "real" BEV's, the show is over, people will see behind the curtain the real Wizard of OZ. Which is why the challenges I made earlier in this thread still stands

 

CR doesn't weight those kind of problems the same as they weight mechanical problems. It's in their FAQ.

 

Isn't your Mercedes in the shop right now?

 

It is, but my LSs also spent time in the shop. No car is perfect. The valve cover gasket leak its in for right now is the first issue its had outside of scheduled maintenance and wear items. Of all the Lexus vehicles I have owned, I'm trying to think of one that went 50k miles and didn't need any warranty repair...maybe my GS...

 

It's been great and solid. It's a wonderful car to travel in. It absolutely eats up highway miles. Not a whole lot to report other than that It's gotten 3 OTA updates in the last 6 weeks or so, one of them was a major bug fix so the overall UI/software has been working better and faster too. That's all I've got

 

[QUOTE=swajames;11730468]CR doesn't weight those kind of problems the same as they weight mechanical problems. It's in their FAQ.[/QUOT]
CR surveys are from their subscribers; hardly a statistically valid group. Sometimes the results have like 3 responses.
Reliability is poorly defined, if it is defined at all.

 

CR is a joke. i still get the subscription someone ( ) signed me up for.