Even car based crossovers though have significantly more ground clearance than the MY.

 

‘And if the Y wheels were smaller and the same as the Nissan, the height would probably further decrease

 

Yeah there are two clearances listed, 6.6 and 6.8 I assume the difference is wheels.

 

i think you're missing a key point.

ice crossovers have more ground clearance to get the seating floor up higher that people find appealing.
ev's automatically have a higher seating floor because there's a great big battery under their feet. the battery takes away the ground clearance that ice crossovers have.

saying the y 'lacks the capability of real crossover/suvs' is funny because people aren't crossing rivers in their rav4's lol

 

I don’t see how that makes a difference. The ability to drive on surfaces beyond what you can drive on in a sedan is part and parcel to what makes an SUV an SUV, and a crossover is a combination of an SUV and a car chassis that combines the benefit of both with an edge towards the SUV aesthetic. I just don’t see it. Something like an EQE or EQS SUV doesn’t have that same level of ground clearance but at least it’s over 7 inches, and EQS can be raised to 8.7 which puts it solidly amongst other crossovers.

Of course people aren’t fording rivers in their Rav 4s, but a Rav 4 will take you places a Camry can’t because it has more ground clearance, 2 full inches more. A Model Y won’t take you places a sedan won’t, that’s my point, and sitting in it it just feels like a tall sedan where a Rav 4 feels like a utility vehicle to some degree.

 

i believe most people who buy crossovers couldn't care less about ground clearance. i believe they buy them for the easier ingress/egress, the higher sitting position and view of the road, and for increased cargo space and versatility, all things the model y meets or exceeds the competition in.

 

A model X has even less ground clearance

 

Model X has air suspension and the ground clearance and ride height is adjustable .

 

Im not arguing that people don’t buy the Model Y, clearly they do it’s their best selling car. I just don’t consider it a crossover or SUV.

I wouldn’t consider it a crossover or SUV either, more like a minivan. Same ground clearance as my minivan actually.

IMO to be an SUV or crossover it has to be better off-road than a sedan and neither of these vehicles are because they have sedan ground clearance. Crossovers have 2-3 inches more ground clearance on average. If these are crossover/SUVs so is my Pacifica lol

 

AI has entered the chat...

 

Sounds like my definition and the AI definition are pretty much exactly the same:



Lower ground clearance than SUVs doesn't mean the same ground clearance as a car, to me its got to have some sort of offroad/roughroad capability beyond that of a car. Personally in order to be a crossover IMO its got to have ground clearance in the 7-8 " range at a minimum, since cars are in the 5s and 6s and SUVs are solidly in the 8s.

This was at my office this morning. Look how much lower the MY sits than that Kia Sorrento. In Crossovers/SUVs I am used to never having to worry about pulling up to a parking curb etc. If that MY backed all the way into that space the rear bumper would hit the curb

 

you can obviously believe whatever you want. show me any link/ref definition that agrees with what you believe.
i don't think that Y would have any issue backing up to that curb.

/done

 

The bumper is definitely lower than the curb, hard to tell from the picture.

Not sure why this triggers you so, you don’t have to agree with me. I’m well aware most people consider it a crossover

 

You're not going crazy, Steve. Originally only the three row Model Y got the federal credit as the three row qualified under a separate and distinct provision related to the number of rows of seats. The two row did not quality as a utility vehicle as it did not meet certain measurement criteria for things like ground clearance, approach and departure angles and so on. In other words, the rules treated the three row as an SUV, but the two row as a car. One fell under the 80K MSRP threshold, the other the 55K threshold. It all became moot when updated IRS guidance let the all Model Y variants be treated as a utility vehicle, so now they are all viewed as utility vehicles, but at one point the two row variant was, essentially, treated as a sedan/wagon. It was all somewhat arbitrary, but it correct based on the interpretation of the rules as they then were.

 

Yep, makes perfect sense