Why No Factory 4 Piston Caliper???
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Why No Factory 4 Piston Caliper???
Why didn't the SC3/4 come with the same 4 Piston calipers as the LS400 - what was Toyota's thinking/reasoning here? I did a search on this but didn't come up with anything definative. If this has already been covered - somone point me to the correct thread. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Nomis
Why didn't the SC3/4 come with the same 4 Piston calipers as the LS400 - what was Toyota's thinking/reasoning here? I did a search on this but didn't come up with anything definative. If this has already been covered - somone point me to the correct thread. Thanks.
Forget old SC400, new SC430 didn`t come with big brakes ider. I think those are same brakes as ours.
New LS has so nice aluminum calipers with cross bolts, just a beauty. Why Toyota? Why?
I think they got satisfactionary stopping distance with cheaper setup. Both on ours and new SC430 so they didn`t bother. Beancounting?
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Originally Posted by EUROJulian
Forget old SC400, new SC430 didn`t come with big brakes ider. I think those are same brakes as ours.
New LS has so nice aluminum calipers with cross bolts, just a beauty. Why Toyota? Why?
I think they got satisfactionary stopping distance with cheaper setup. Both on ours and new SC430 so they didn`t bother. Beancounting?
New LS has so nice aluminum calipers with cross bolts, just a beauty. Why Toyota? Why?
I think they got satisfactionary stopping distance with cheaper setup. Both on ours and new SC430 so they didn`t bother. Beancounting?
I was hoping there was some logical explanation like - they wanted to keep the weight down up front so as to not disturb the weight ratio any further or something to that effect.
Originally Posted by Nomis
Maybe, but why cut corners on such a crucial aspect of the car. Toyota spent millions of dollars developing the 1UZ engine replete with 6-bolt mains only to skimp out on the brakes I was hoping there was some logical explanation like - they wanted to keep the weight down up front so as to not disturb the weight ratio any further or something to that effect.
I was hoping there was some logical explanation like - they wanted to keep the weight down up front so as to not disturb the weight ratio any further or something to that effect.i always complained about this before and even got a set of LS calipers, but after a while of thinking i would sacrific some stopping power for saving some weight. and it's not like our breaks are ****. got some rotors and good break pads and you're good to go
When the SC came out, the power of the braking system was being touted all over the magazines. The SC's stopping power was damn good at intro as they were being compared to the best. So probably they felt the car didn't need any more stopping power than it already had. Weight savings and $$ saving was probably a bonus. So I don't see it as skimping out. Plus the SC's were not as heavy as the LS. I always worry about what's behind me rather than worrying if I'll stop in time when in a hard braking situation.
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Originally Posted by BrownDuckz
Well I fixed the factory defect with LS4 brakes on my car.. this thing stops! 
We should be very thankful that we have the option of using brakes from other cars that just bolt-on. That's a luxury not many can claim to have. So just go out and get them.
As for another reason they SC didn't come with 4-piston binders: They don't fit under the stock 15" wheels.
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Originally Posted by CleanSC
Here here.
We should be very thankful that we have the option of using brakes from other cars that just bolt-on. That's a luxury not many can claim to have. So just go out and get them.
As for another reason they SC didn't come with 4-piston binders: They don't fit under the stock 15" wheels.
We should be very thankful that we have the option of using brakes from other cars that just bolt-on. That's a luxury not many can claim to have. So just go out and get them.
As for another reason they SC didn't come with 4-piston binders: They don't fit under the stock 15" wheels.
We are talking big cars here, SC3 it is just a toy, they never needed big brakes in stock form. Need arrived after people started "tunned" them.
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Originally Posted by Nomis
Maybe, but why cut corners on such a crucial aspect of the car. Toyota spent millions of dollars developing the 1UZ engine replete with 6-bolt mains only to skimp out on the brakes...
This is bad post Nomis. Cutting corners? Do you think stock brakes are unadequate for the car? Proof is in stopping distance. Those are capable and good brakes (I mean SC4) for stock cars.
Like somebody said before, be glad that you have cheap high performance option avaible.
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How big are the brakes? Are the brakes on the SC4's bigger than on the SC3's? I know that Soarer twin turbo brakes are larger than Soarer V8 brakes (the same as the 93~95/6 Supra RZ turbo brakes).
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Originally Posted by Soarer_25GTT
How big are the brakes? Are the brakes on the SC4's bigger than on the SC3's? I know that Soarer twin turbo brakes are larger than Soarer V8 brakes (the same as the 93~95/6 Supra RZ turbo brakes).
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Uh, SC3,SC4, Supra N/A all have the same brakes for any given year, my car has various parts from all of those cars interchanged within one assembly.
The cars came with only (crankshaft!) 250hp, and were sold as dentistmobiles, so really wasn't necesarry, and the panick stopping really isn't that much better with a high performance setup anyways; the 4 piston arrangement really only shines on the track or in sport driving on curvy roads.
More parts = higher cost.
The cars came with only (crankshaft!) 250hp, and were sold as dentistmobiles, so really wasn't necesarry, and the panick stopping really isn't that much better with a high performance setup anyways; the 4 piston arrangement really only shines on the track or in sport driving on curvy roads.
More parts = higher cost.
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Originally Posted by CleanSC
Here here.
We should be very thankful that we have the option of using brakes from other cars that just bolt-on. That's a luxury not many can claim to have. So just go out and get them.
As for another reason they SC didn't come with 4-piston binders: They don't fit under the stock 15" wheels.
We should be very thankful that we have the option of using brakes from other cars that just bolt-on. That's a luxury not many can claim to have. So just go out and get them.
As for another reason they SC didn't come with 4-piston binders: They don't fit under the stock 15" wheels.
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Originally Posted by neoprelude
What about the later 16" wheels?
Just because they spent the money upgrading the wheels (which helps sales as it looks better) it's not as cost effective to design and manufacture a new brake system. So they just went with what they had which was designed to fit under smaller 15" wheels.
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