New Car Squeaky Brakes?
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This issue has been raised dozens of times in the ISF, RCF, GSF, and LC500 forums. The threads listed below are just a sample. Before you do anything, try bedding in your brakes properly.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...ds-squeak.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-...placement.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...-on-the-f.html
Lou
This issue has been raised dozens of times in the ISF, RCF, GSF, and LC500 forums. The threads listed below are just a sample. Before you do anything, try bedding in your brakes properly. https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...ds-squeak.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-...placement.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-...-on-the-f.html
Lou
Our brembo squeaks randomly. my other car's brembo squeaked too. it's just natural when u own high end brakes. it doesn't squeaks every time but i usually hear it when I fight traffic going bumper to bumper.
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Brembo brakes squeal when they are cold, (and they dust horribly) and as they heat the squeal goes away.. there is a LSB out for it if can't deal with it, they will replace your pads with a street pad that will reduce your stopping ability slightly but you won't ever notice it unless you track the car.
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
I did mine at 14K, pads were at 4.5mm, the LSB pads now have 14K on them and are at 6mm (down from 9mm) so they are lasting longer than the original pads, likely due to being a different material designed for street driving.
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
I did mine at 14K, pads were at 4.5mm, the LSB pads now have 14K on them and are at 6mm (down from 9mm) so they are lasting longer than the original pads, likely due to being a different material designed for street driving.
Brembo brakes squeal when they are cold, (and they dust horribly) and as they heat the squeal goes away.. there is a LSB out for it if can't deal with it, they will replace your pads with a street pad that will reduce your stopping ability slightly but you won't ever notice it unless you track the car.
Not True - The difference is noticeable and brake fade comes sooner with the replacement pads!
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
Why do some folks try to beat the system and get something for nothing
I did mine at 14K, pads were at 4.5mm, the LSB pads now have 14K on them and are at 6mm (down from 9mm) so they are lasting longer than the original pads, likely due to being a different material designed for street driving.
Sounds like you ride the brakes - they should last quite a bit longer than 14K miles
Not True - The difference is noticeable and brake fade comes sooner with the replacement pads!
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
Why do some folks try to beat the system and get something for nothing
I did mine at 14K, pads were at 4.5mm, the LSB pads now have 14K on them and are at 6mm (down from 9mm) so they are lasting longer than the original pads, likely due to being a different material designed for street driving.
Sounds like you ride the brakes - they should last quite a bit longer than 14K miles
Lou
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I was going to say.....only lasts 14K miles??? He either rides the brakes or tracks the RCF VERY OFTEN.
Last month when I had put on 4 new all seasons tires I personally along with the tech looked at my brake pads at all four corners and had lots life left even at way more than 14K miles. I am really easy on the brakes.....
Last month when I had put on 4 new all seasons tires I personally along with the tech looked at my brake pads at all four corners and had lots life left even at way more than 14K miles. I am really easy on the brakes.....
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Yes, mine squeal some times when cold. However, I would never think of getting them replaced by the street pads because high friction pads squeal when they are cold, but their stopping ability and ability to resist fade when repeatedly applied, cannot be matched by the street pads. I guess, the trade off is clear. Better braking performance that were designed for the car with the drawback of some squealing when cold. I guess, it is a choice that depends on the person.
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I USED to hear my brakes squeak, BUT NO MORE AFTER I GOT BORLA EXHAUST!!! ALL I hear now is the low deep rumble!!! LOL.
Yes, mine squeal some times when cold. However, I would never think of getting them replaced by the street pads because high friction pads squeal when they are cold, but their stopping ability and ability to resist fade when repeatedly applied, cannot be matched by the street pads. I guess, the trade off is clear. Better braking performance that were designed for the car with the drawback of some squealing when cold. I guess, it is a choice that depends on the person.
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I agree that one should not try to get something for nothing.
In the end it all COMES FULL CIRCLE. One may think one is ahead bc got something for nothing, but payback is a BIT$H !!!
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
Why do some folks try to beat the system and get something for nothing
In the end it all COMES FULL CIRCLE. One may think one is ahead bc got something for nothing, but payback is a BIT$H !!!
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
Why do some folks try to beat the system and get something for nothing
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I changed my brakes to an even better compound that supposedly may last more than the 30k the originals did.
Only downside is on cold mornings I have to protect my teeth from the intense chatter when braking until warmed up :P
Only downside is on cold mornings I have to protect my teeth from the intense chatter when braking until warmed up :P
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Brembo brakes squeal when they are cold, (and they dust horribly) and as they heat the squeal goes away.. there is a LSB out for it if can't deal with it, they will replace your pads with a street pad that will reduce your stopping ability slightly but you won't ever notice it unless you track the car.
Not True - The difference is noticeable and brake fade comes sooner with the replacement pads!
I've noticed no real difference in stop and go daily commuting, and highway speed braking, while brake fade may come sooner, i stand by my statement, most people will not notice the difference during daily driving., unless they are driving the car hard and braking hard which is pointless in everyday traffic.
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
Why do some folks try to beat the system and get something for nothing
It's not about getting something for nothing, if the dusting and squeal bother you replace them, I complained about it from the get go and the dealership SM told me if I could deal with it, I should do so and have them replaced near the end of their life under the LSB (insofar as I know the LSB will not cover them if they are below 4mm, which is obviously long before they need to be replaced), the dealership was advising me to use the LSB as my first brake change. so I am merely passing on the advice I was given.
I did mine at 14K, pads were at 4.5mm, the LSB pads now have 14K on them and are at 6mm (down from 9mm) so they are lasting longer than the original pads, likely due to being a different material designed for street driving.
Sounds like you ride the brakes - they should last quite a bit longer than 14K miles
Hardly, I get 50k-60K out of all my other cars that have basic generic brake calipers, Heck I got over 100K out of my 22 year old 4runner with single piston fronts, no anti-lock brakes and rear drums, and on my Avalanche I traded that truck in with 130K on the original pads. However out of the 5 cars I have owned in the last 12 years that have had the Brembo high performance calipers, from the basic OEM brembo to the aftermarket grand turismo brembo that I put on myself, 12k-18k is the average life span when using the OEM supplied pads, even Brembo will tell you that these pads are not designed for stop and go street driving and 15K is the average life for them, I've had this conversation with them several times. The replacement pads from Lexus are semi-metallic (i.e. ceramic/metallic mix) and the average lifespan for them is 25k according to both Lexus and Brembo, while your results may vary based on your location and driving habits and conditions, both Lexus and Brembo had advised me that 25K is the AVERAGE life of the LSB replacement pads before replacement is recommended (not required).
The issue isn't riding my brakes, as a matter of fact, I only use my brakes to bring the car to a full stop usually from 25mph or less, and to hold it in place after downing shifting to slow the car, be it by manually downshifting if needed or by simply taking my foot off the accelerator and allowing the car to slow its self, I don't jack rabbit, I don't tail gate, and I don't hard brake unless necessary because of someone else's idiocy.. Even sitting at a light I will typically put the vehicle into neutral because prolonged holding of the pedal is bothersome due to a right leg injury from a motorcycle accident. I watch my high horizon and watch for stale green lights, when I see something ahead of me that I know will result in me possibly coming to a stop I take my foot off the accelerator and coast. Yeah it tends to **** of the idiots that think I have the magic ability to go faster than the stopped traffic in front of me, but I don't really care, I am a teetotaler type of driver, that is I meander in the second to right lane or the right lane at the posted speed and I keep 3-5 seconds distance between me and the vehicles in front of my and I use the engine/transmission to slow the car, not the brakes.
The issue is simple, stop and go traffic coupled with high performance pads that never get to their recommended operating temperature, and my refusal to run a pad down to its bare minimum, I change my pads at 4mm, not when the sensor is grinding the rotor.
Not True - The difference is noticeable and brake fade comes sooner with the replacement pads!
I've noticed no real difference in stop and go daily commuting, and highway speed braking, while brake fade may come sooner, i stand by my statement, most people will not notice the difference during daily driving., unless they are driving the car hard and braking hard which is pointless in everyday traffic.
I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.
Why do some folks try to beat the system and get something for nothing
It's not about getting something for nothing, if the dusting and squeal bother you replace them, I complained about it from the get go and the dealership SM told me if I could deal with it, I should do so and have them replaced near the end of their life under the LSB (insofar as I know the LSB will not cover them if they are below 4mm, which is obviously long before they need to be replaced), the dealership was advising me to use the LSB as my first brake change. so I am merely passing on the advice I was given.
I did mine at 14K, pads were at 4.5mm, the LSB pads now have 14K on them and are at 6mm (down from 9mm) so they are lasting longer than the original pads, likely due to being a different material designed for street driving.
Sounds like you ride the brakes - they should last quite a bit longer than 14K miles
Hardly, I get 50k-60K out of all my other cars that have basic generic brake calipers, Heck I got over 100K out of my 22 year old 4runner with single piston fronts, no anti-lock brakes and rear drums, and on my Avalanche I traded that truck in with 130K on the original pads. However out of the 5 cars I have owned in the last 12 years that have had the Brembo high performance calipers, from the basic OEM brembo to the aftermarket grand turismo brembo that I put on myself, 12k-18k is the average life span when using the OEM supplied pads, even Brembo will tell you that these pads are not designed for stop and go street driving and 15K is the average life for them, I've had this conversation with them several times. The replacement pads from Lexus are semi-metallic (i.e. ceramic/metallic mix) and the average lifespan for them is 25k according to both Lexus and Brembo, while your results may vary based on your location and driving habits and conditions, both Lexus and Brembo had advised me that 25K is the AVERAGE life of the LSB replacement pads before replacement is recommended (not required).
The issue isn't riding my brakes, as a matter of fact, I only use my brakes to bring the car to a full stop usually from 25mph or less, and to hold it in place after downing shifting to slow the car, be it by manually downshifting if needed or by simply taking my foot off the accelerator and allowing the car to slow its self, I don't jack rabbit, I don't tail gate, and I don't hard brake unless necessary because of someone else's idiocy.. Even sitting at a light I will typically put the vehicle into neutral because prolonged holding of the pedal is bothersome due to a right leg injury from a motorcycle accident. I watch my high horizon and watch for stale green lights, when I see something ahead of me that I know will result in me possibly coming to a stop I take my foot off the accelerator and coast. Yeah it tends to **** of the idiots that think I have the magic ability to go faster than the stopped traffic in front of me, but I don't really care, I am a teetotaler type of driver, that is I meander in the second to right lane or the right lane at the posted speed and I keep 3-5 seconds distance between me and the vehicles in front of my and I use the engine/transmission to slow the car, not the brakes.
The issue is simple, stop and go traffic coupled with high performance pads that never get to their recommended operating temperature, and my refusal to run a pad down to its bare minimum, I change my pads at 4mm, not when the sensor is grinding the rotor.
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Which kind of BRAKE pads/rotors did you get? I like to be prepared when the time/need arises down the road. Thanks
Don't want to start an argument with you but:
Brembo doesn't make pads, they make calipers. The pads I removed from my ISF were made my Jurid. Lexus has used the same or very similar compound on all "F" cars, and the LC500, since 2008. I removed the front pads from my ISF at 23,135 miles, not because they were worn, but because I wanted a more egressive compound. I put on Ferodo DS2500s, and they are a fantastic pad. Anyway I just went out to the garage and found my old pads and took some pics. Clearly you can see there's lots of life left. And yes, the way you worded it, "I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.", you encouraged getting something for nothing! And again, if you only got 14K miles out of your pads, somethings very very wrong.
Lou
Brembo doesn't make pads, they make calipers. The pads I removed from my ISF were made my Jurid. Lexus has used the same or very similar compound on all "F" cars, and the LC500, since 2008. I removed the front pads from my ISF at 23,135 miles, not because they were worn, but because I wanted a more egressive compound. I put on Ferodo DS2500s, and they are a fantastic pad. Anyway I just went out to the garage and found my old pads and took some pics. Clearly you can see there's lots of life left. And yes, the way you worded it, "I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.", you encouraged getting something for nothing! And again, if you only got 14K miles out of your pads, somethings very very wrong.
Lou
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Don't want to start an argument with you but:
Brembo doesn't make pads, they make calipers. The pads I removed from my ISF were made my Jurid. Lexus has used the same or very similar compound on all "F" cars, and the LC500, since 2008. I removed the front pads from my ISF at 23,135 miles, not because they were worn, but because I wanted a more egressive compound. I put on Ferodo DS2500s, and they are a fantastic pad. Anyway I just went out to the garage and found my old pads and took some pics. Clearly you can see there's lots of life left. And yes, the way you worded it, "I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.", you encouraged getting something for nothing! And again, if you only got 14K miles out of your pads, somethings very very wrong.
Lou
Brembo doesn't make pads, they make calipers. The pads I removed from my ISF were made my Jurid. Lexus has used the same or very similar compound on all "F" cars, and the LC500, since 2008. I removed the front pads from my ISF at 23,135 miles, not because they were worn, but because I wanted a more egressive compound. I put on Ferodo DS2500s, and they are a fantastic pad. Anyway I just went out to the garage and found my old pads and took some pics. Clearly you can see there's lots of life left. And yes, the way you worded it, "I would suggest if you can deal with it, do so as long as possible, the OEM pads will last about 12-14K (they are high performance pads after all) replace them when they get to about 4mm with the LSB so you essentially get your first brake job for free.", you encouraged getting something for nothing! And again, if you only got 14K miles out of your pads, somethings very very wrong.
Lou
When I complained to Chrysler, they handed me off to Brembo, when I complained to Chevy, they also handed me off to Brembo, a Brembo Rep came to the dealership (as I had another issue with the Brembos on the Camaro and GM wanted Brembo to look at them) and I discussed it in person with the rep, and the Brembo rep told me the same thing.. The OEM pads they include with their OEM calipers have about a 15K life span.
When I complained to Lexus about the dust and squeal issues, I was told I could do the LSB, but was advised by the dealership SM that I should wait it out until the pads were close to 4mm, I'm simply passing that suggestion on. You call it getting something for nothing, I call it utilizing the pads within the parameters of the LSB and getting as much life out of them as possible before switching to a street pad which was the Lexus answer to correcting an issue that MANY customers complained about (hence the LSB).
If Lexus didn't want to fix the issue the LSB would never have been available, and if Lexus cared about when it was done the parameters of the LSB would not have had a set depth at which point the LSB would no longer apply, 4mm is half the life of the pad.
Also the ISF and the RCF do not use the same Calipers or Pads. The RCF caliper is larger with larger rotors,