What Would You Replace Your LC With?
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I recently purchased a (used 2018) LC500 and my experience may offer a perspective on the "replacement" question. I was a long time Porsche owner (first a 2008 Cayman S and then a 2012 Carrera S). Both were purchased as used vehicles. My wife until recently drove a 2012 Cayenne Turbo. We owned the 911 for 9 years and the Cayenne for 7. Our leaving Porsche was driven by two factors:
1. We believe that the current global circumstances with de-globalization and significant energy problems for Germany WILL impact Germany's ability to produce automobiles both in the short term and the long term. Porsche (unlike other members of the VW family) produces nothing in the US. This was fine in a globalized world but is already presenting issues (in the US) with getting new Porsche vehicles and extending times to get parts from Germany. We believe this problem will get significantly worse and may, in fact, never recover. I won't get into all of the reasons we believe this is true but I will note that in the past two weeks Germany nationalized some Russian owned refineries in German territory and also nationalized Uniper. This would be a major off-topic conversation so I will stop...but we believe it is now absolutely the wrong time to be Porsche owners (in the US).
2. Porsche cars are great driver's cars and offer serious benefits...at serious costs. My 911 was an awesome car. I did some track time in the car and enjoyed it thoroughly. That being said, in Florida where we live, we face increasing population, significant urbanization, and all of the traffic problems that come with Florida's success. As a result the opportunities to drive the car at anywhere near 9/10's have become steadily more rare. And, frankly speaking, the 911 on an interstate at 3/10's performance is not a great ride. The amount of road noise in the cabin is significant and exhausting at any drive time much over an hour. Conversation becomes difficult and a phone conversation is also problematic. I wanted more comfort and a better 3/10's ride while preserving the sense of occasion and fun factor. Every part we needed for the Cayenne came from Germany....every single one was uniquely shipped to our dealer....none were stocked in the US. The LC500 provided the best answer to my desires and I am very satisfied with my purchase. My traded the 911 for the LC500 and we traded the Cayenne for a Lincoln Nautilus.
Since higher priced cars are always an emotional purchase, the key for enjoyment of a replacement is knowing what you want. As an older person (hold the "OK Boomer" comments please!
), my LC500 purchase decision won't be for everyone, but I am happy with taking the less traveled road. I do not believe the LC500 has an equivalent car at its (US) price point and moving to a Porsche vehicle does mean other compromises are being made. Again frankly speaking, moving to an F Type will also expose you to similar (or worse) supply chain vulnerabilities. In a de-globalizing world, I recommend each of you consider carefully that reality.
1. We believe that the current global circumstances with de-globalization and significant energy problems for Germany WILL impact Germany's ability to produce automobiles both in the short term and the long term. Porsche (unlike other members of the VW family) produces nothing in the US. This was fine in a globalized world but is already presenting issues (in the US) with getting new Porsche vehicles and extending times to get parts from Germany. We believe this problem will get significantly worse and may, in fact, never recover. I won't get into all of the reasons we believe this is true but I will note that in the past two weeks Germany nationalized some Russian owned refineries in German territory and also nationalized Uniper. This would be a major off-topic conversation so I will stop...but we believe it is now absolutely the wrong time to be Porsche owners (in the US).
2. Porsche cars are great driver's cars and offer serious benefits...at serious costs. My 911 was an awesome car. I did some track time in the car and enjoyed it thoroughly. That being said, in Florida where we live, we face increasing population, significant urbanization, and all of the traffic problems that come with Florida's success. As a result the opportunities to drive the car at anywhere near 9/10's have become steadily more rare. And, frankly speaking, the 911 on an interstate at 3/10's performance is not a great ride. The amount of road noise in the cabin is significant and exhausting at any drive time much over an hour. Conversation becomes difficult and a phone conversation is also problematic. I wanted more comfort and a better 3/10's ride while preserving the sense of occasion and fun factor. Every part we needed for the Cayenne came from Germany....every single one was uniquely shipped to our dealer....none were stocked in the US. The LC500 provided the best answer to my desires and I am very satisfied with my purchase. My traded the 911 for the LC500 and we traded the Cayenne for a Lincoln Nautilus.
Since higher priced cars are always an emotional purchase, the key for enjoyment of a replacement is knowing what you want. As an older person (hold the "OK Boomer" comments please!
), my LC500 purchase decision won't be for everyone, but I am happy with taking the less traveled road. I do not believe the LC500 has an equivalent car at its (US) price point and moving to a Porsche vehicle does mean other compromises are being made. Again frankly speaking, moving to an F Type will also expose you to similar (or worse) supply chain vulnerabilities. In a de-globalizing world, I recommend each of you consider carefully that reality.
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That is a good point...and we thought about that, but Japan's situation is different (than either Germany or GB) and the Japanese are "all in" as US partners. For Toyota, 70% of the cars sold in the US are assembled in the US. Contrast this with Porsche and Jaguar and if you visit the dealerships of these two makes today (focusing on these because they are legitimate alternatives to the LC) you will discover essentially no stock and no real timeline for when that situation will change. I really like the look and feel of the LC and I don't want my comments to detract from what I think is a truly unique automotive experience (an alternative that didn't exist when I became a Porsche owner).
I posted all of this in the "replacement" thread because I am not certain people really understand the changes that are taking place in the world and the impact those changes are making in availability both in the short term and the long term for these rather niche vehicles. I recognize my viewpoint may be controversial but wanted to offer a somewhat different perspective to folks considering other choices.
I posted all of this in the "replacement" thread because I am not certain people really understand the changes that are taking place in the world and the impact those changes are making in availability both in the short term and the long term for these rather niche vehicles. I recognize my viewpoint may be controversial but wanted to offer a somewhat different perspective to folks considering other choices.
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I recently purchased a (used 2018) LC500 and my experience may offer a perspective on the "replacement" question. I was a long time Porsche owner (first a 2008 Cayman S and then a 2012 Carrera S). Both were purchased as used vehicles. My wife until recently drove a 2012 Cayenne Turbo. We owned the 911 for 9 years and the Cayenne for 7. Our leaving Porsche was driven by two factors:
1. We believe that the current global circumstances with de-globalization and significant energy problems for Germany WILL impact Germany's ability to produce automobiles both in the short term and the long term. Porsche (unlike other members of the VW family) produces nothing in the US. This was fine in a globalized world but is already presenting issues (in the US) with getting new Porsche vehicles and extending times to get parts from Germany. We believe this problem will get significantly worse and may, in fact, never recover. I won't get into all of the reasons we believe this is true but I will note that in the past two weeks Germany nationalized some Russian owned refineries in German territory and also nationalized Uniper. This would be a major off-topic conversation so I will stop...but we believe it is now absolutely the wrong time to be Porsche owners (in the US).
2. Porsche cars are great driver's cars and offer serious benefits...at serious costs. My 911 was an awesome car. I did some track time in the car and enjoyed it thoroughly. That being said, in Florida where we live, we face increasing population, significant urbanization, and all of the traffic problems that come with Florida's success. As a result the opportunities to drive the car at anywhere near 9/10's have become steadily more rare. And, frankly speaking, the 911 on an interstate at 3/10's performance is not a great ride. The amount of road noise in the cabin is significant and exhausting at any drive time much over an hour. Conversation becomes difficult and a phone conversation is also problematic. I wanted more comfort and a better 3/10's ride while preserving the sense of occasion and fun factor. Every part we needed for the Cayenne came from Germany....every single one was uniquely shipped to our dealer....none were stocked in the US. The LC500 provided the best answer to my desires and I am very satisfied with my purchase. My traded the 911 for the LC500 and we traded the Cayenne for a Lincoln Nautilus.
Since higher priced cars are always an emotional purchase, the key for enjoyment of a replacement is knowing what you want. As an older person (hold the "OK Boomer" comments please!), my LC500 purchase decision won't be for everyone, but I am happy with taking the less traveled road. I do not believe the LC500 has an equivalent car at its (US) price point and moving to a Porsche vehicle does mean other compromises are being made. Again frankly speaking, moving to an F Type will also expose you to similar (or worse) supply chain vulnerabilities. In a de-globalizing world, I recommend each of you consider carefully that reality.
1. We believe that the current global circumstances with de-globalization and significant energy problems for Germany WILL impact Germany's ability to produce automobiles both in the short term and the long term. Porsche (unlike other members of the VW family) produces nothing in the US. This was fine in a globalized world but is already presenting issues (in the US) with getting new Porsche vehicles and extending times to get parts from Germany. We believe this problem will get significantly worse and may, in fact, never recover. I won't get into all of the reasons we believe this is true but I will note that in the past two weeks Germany nationalized some Russian owned refineries in German territory and also nationalized Uniper. This would be a major off-topic conversation so I will stop...but we believe it is now absolutely the wrong time to be Porsche owners (in the US).
2. Porsche cars are great driver's cars and offer serious benefits...at serious costs. My 911 was an awesome car. I did some track time in the car and enjoyed it thoroughly. That being said, in Florida where we live, we face increasing population, significant urbanization, and all of the traffic problems that come with Florida's success. As a result the opportunities to drive the car at anywhere near 9/10's have become steadily more rare. And, frankly speaking, the 911 on an interstate at 3/10's performance is not a great ride. The amount of road noise in the cabin is significant and exhausting at any drive time much over an hour. Conversation becomes difficult and a phone conversation is also problematic. I wanted more comfort and a better 3/10's ride while preserving the sense of occasion and fun factor. Every part we needed for the Cayenne came from Germany....every single one was uniquely shipped to our dealer....none were stocked in the US. The LC500 provided the best answer to my desires and I am very satisfied with my purchase. My traded the 911 for the LC500 and we traded the Cayenne for a Lincoln Nautilus.
Since higher priced cars are always an emotional purchase, the key for enjoyment of a replacement is knowing what you want. As an older person (hold the "OK Boomer" comments please!
), my LC500 purchase decision won't be for everyone, but I am happy with taking the less traveled road. I do not believe the LC500 has an equivalent car at its (US) price point and moving to a Porsche vehicle does mean other compromises are being made. Again frankly speaking, moving to an F Type will also expose you to similar (or worse) supply chain vulnerabilities. In a de-globalizing world, I recommend each of you consider carefully that reality.Your experience with Porsche seems to be with the older models. I wonder if a 2022 911 would ride the same on the interstate. I’ve seriously considered purchasing one but the prices are crazy right now and I’m more itching to trade in my lc coupe for a vert.
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Probably Lambo, R8 pre-facelift without rev limiter, Aston, or Ferrari, not because I want but I just cannot go for a QUIETIER car with less character, i just cannot and there are just a few alternatives.
911 is not good sounding, the 992 one, drove turbo, 4s and the gtr which is better but sucks at startup emotion anyway if you've heard lc500, that car is no fun other than (push gas for 1 second, STOP, your fun is over), too much power to daily drive. If every road was a highway without speed limits then it's a different story.
The only reason I bought lc was for sound (okay, and interior), everything else i don't care.
911 is not good sounding, the 992 one, drove turbo, 4s and the gtr which is better but sucks at startup emotion anyway if you've heard lc500, that car is no fun other than (push gas for 1 second, STOP, your fun is over), too much power to daily drive. If every road was a highway without speed limits then it's a different story.
The only reason I bought lc was for sound (okay, and interior), everything else i don't care.
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