Weapon in Lexus
08-23-12, 06:32 AM
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Yoan, text me. You have lived here in FL much longer then me. I am worried I have my piece mounted illegally in my car.
I need to know about this 2 stage process you speak of. I have heard of it for those that DON'T have their CC. But I thought those of us with a CC don't have to worry about the 2 stage process.
I hope I'm not breakin the law
I need to know about this 2 stage process you speak of. I have heard of it for those that DON'T have their CC. But I thought those of us with a CC don't have to worry about the 2 stage process.
I hope I'm not breakin the law
08-23-12, 06:51 AM
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08-23-12, 06:59 AM
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Yoan, text me. You have lived here in FL much longer then me. I am worried I have my piece mounted illegally in my car.
I need to know about this 2 stage process you speak of. I have heard of it for those that DON'T have their CC. But I thought those of us with a CC don't have to worry about the 2 stage process.
I hope I'm not breakin the law
I need to know about this 2 stage process you speak of. I have heard of it for those that DON'T have their CC. But I thought those of us with a CC don't have to worry about the 2 stage process.
I hope I'm not breakin the law
YOU MUST ALWAYS HAVE A 2 STEP PROCESS. No if, ands, or buts.
Wether cops have harrassed you about it or not is a different story, truth be told most cops dont know their gun laws. They see a CCW and automatically dismiss anything, I was explaining this to Ryan. However if you ever run into one who does know his laws you will lose your license.
Florida Statue- VEHICLE CARRY- Section 790.001(17)
Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access." = 2 step process.
Now back on topic !!!!!!!!!
Get yourself a magnetic pistol mount
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08-23-12, 07:21 AM
#52
My CCW instructor recommended against open carry in all cases (vs conceal carry) for 2 reasons:
1) The already mentioned not giving up your advantage of a weapon a bad guy doesn't know about (versus the bad guy who is almost certainly concealing, so you won't know he's a threat till it's too late- no reason to make him aware that he ought target you first)
2) Avoiding hassles with the police. Because even in most places (like NC) where open carry is legal there's usually a law like "Going armed to the terror of the public" which means if someone twitchy sees you and calls 911 they have to come down there, stop you, and question you about it. Even if they don't charge you with the going armed type charge it's still a hassle you'll have to stop your day and deal with for a bit and isn't worth the trouble.
1) The already mentioned not giving up your advantage of a weapon a bad guy doesn't know about (versus the bad guy who is almost certainly concealing, so you won't know he's a threat till it's too late- no reason to make him aware that he ought target you first)
2) Avoiding hassles with the police. Because even in most places (like NC) where open carry is legal there's usually a law like "Going armed to the terror of the public" which means if someone twitchy sees you and calls 911 they have to come down there, stop you, and question you about it. Even if they don't charge you with the going armed type charge it's still a hassle you'll have to stop your day and deal with for a bit and isn't worth the trouble.
08-23-12, 08:12 AM
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to discuss guns and the collections we have an Official Gun Thread in the clubhouse, check it out
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/the...lk-thread.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/the...lk-thread.html
08-23-12, 08:19 AM
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YOU MUST ALWAYS HAVE A 2 STEP PROCESS. No if, ands, or buts.
Wether cops have harrassed you about it or not is a different story, truth be told most cops dont know their gun laws. They see a CCW and automatically dismiss anything, I was explaining this to Ryan. However if you ever run into one who does know his laws you will lose your license.
Florida Statue- VEHICLE CARRY- Section 790.001(17)
Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access." = 2 step process.
For now I'll just take my chances driving around as is till I find a holster that suits me.
Thanks Yoan
08-23-12, 08:22 AM
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Yea I know about the stamp and so forth, if that isnt a stock on the back of the "pistol" what is that?
For the OP I personally think your should read your state laws and make yourself a bad a$$ mount
YOU MUST ALWAYS HAVE A 2 STEP PROCESS. No if, ands, or buts.
Wether cops have harrassed you about it or not is a different story, truth be told most cops dont know their gun laws. They see a CCW and automatically dismiss anything, I was explaining this to Ryan. However if you ever run into one who does know his laws you will lose your license.
Florida Statue- VEHICLE CARRY- Section 790.001(17)
Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access." = 2 step process.
For the OP I personally think your should read your state laws and make yourself a bad a$$ mount
YOU MUST ALWAYS HAVE A 2 STEP PROCESS. No if, ands, or buts.
Wether cops have harrassed you about it or not is a different story, truth be told most cops dont know their gun laws. They see a CCW and automatically dismiss anything, I was explaining this to Ryan. However if you ever run into one who does know his laws you will lose your license.
Florida Statue- VEHICLE CARRY- Section 790.001(17)
Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access." = 2 step process.
Here is the bottom line... In Florida, if you possess a valid CWFL, you can have the firearm anywhere you want, whether on your body or near you, readily accessible. The only requirement is that it be concealed. You cannot drive with it on the dashboard in plain view, nor can you have it sitting on the seat next to you where someone could easily identify it as a firearm. As long as it's concealed from plain view, you're legal and good to go.
Without a CWFL, you can still carry a firearm in your vehicle, but it must meet one of two requirements... The firearm must be securely encased OR not readily accessible for immediate use. Placing the firearm in your center console right next to you is legal, as long as there is a lid that needs to be opened. The firearm can be unholstered or holstered, that doesn't matter because it already meets the securely encased criteria. Now if you want, you can put the firearm in a shoebox with lid on it on the passenger seat, and that meets the criteria for being securely encased. Also, placing the firearm in the glove box is enough to fulfill the criteria. There are no "steps" involved at all. You can have the firearm unholstered in the glove box and you're legal.
The problem is that people see "in a glove compartment, snapped in a holster" and they assume that it means "holstered inside of a glove box". The "or" conjunction here is key however. Gutmacher's book does a fantastic job of breaking this all down. Also one other thing... There is absolutely no distinction ANYWHERE in Florida firearm statutes between a loaded and unloaded firearm. They are considered to be the same in the eyes of the statutes, so assume all firearms are loaded.
Hope this helps!Jose
08-23-12, 08:25 AM
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Ryan the cop who pulled you over is an idiot, you CANNOT have your gun unholstered or lacking a 2step process even if you have a CCW. Dont know where that info came from but just giving you the heads up, next cop who pulls you over might know his laws a little better.
Actually you can have a gun holstered or in your glovebox WITHOUT a CCW.
I studied gun laws for a longgggg time.
Statue states a vehicle is an extension of your home, wether you are traveling or not. People use the "traveling" excuse because they heard it works and dont know any better. Truth be told you could be going to home depot, and you can still have your weapon in the glove box or a strapped holster in your car.
Also, I always hear people saying the clip must be seperate from the gun, the gun must be in the glove box and the clip in the trunk, you "must" have a CCW and so on. NONE of that is true. Your gun can have the clip in it and even +1 (one in the chamber) so as long as there is a 2step process involved.
Actually you can have a gun holstered or in your glovebox WITHOUT a CCW.
I studied gun laws for a longgggg time.
Statue states a vehicle is an extension of your home, wether you are traveling or not. People use the "traveling" excuse because they heard it works and dont know any better. Truth be told you could be going to home depot, and you can still have your weapon in the glove box or a strapped holster in your car.
Also, I always hear people saying the clip must be seperate from the gun, the gun must be in the glove box and the clip in the trunk, you "must" have a CCW and so on. NONE of that is true. Your gun can have the clip in it and even +1 (one in the chamber) so as long as there is a 2step process involved.
All three of my brother inlaws are cops and according to them what he has stated as far as Florida goes is 100% correct .
08-23-12, 08:30 AM
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08-23-12, 08:35 AM
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The problem is that most police officers don't really know the ins and outs of the laws they are sworn to protect, so they err on the side of caution. That said, you can go ahead and have 2,3 or 10 steps to get to your pistol if you want, but it's really not required.
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