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2010 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
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2010 - Premium - Added Crawl
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2010 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2010 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
8.57%
2011 - Base - Added Crawl
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0%
2011 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2011 - Premium - Added Crawl
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2011 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
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2011 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
0
0%
2012 - Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2012 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2012 - Premium - Added Crawl
2.86%
2012 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
8.57%
2012 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
0
0%
2013 - Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2013 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
5.71%
2013 - Premium - Added Crawl
2.86%
2013 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
5.71%
2013 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
2.86%
2014 Base - Added Crawl
0
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2014 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2014 Premium - Added Crawl
0
0%
2014 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2014 Luxury - Added Crawl
0
0%
2014 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
8.57%
2014 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
2.86%
2015 Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2015 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2015 Premium - Added Crawl
0
0%
2015 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2015 Luxury - Added Crawl
2.86%
2015 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2015 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
2.86%
2016 Base - Added Crawl
0
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2016 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2016 Premium - Added Crawl
0
0%
2016 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
5.71%
2016 Luxury - Added Crawl
0
0%
2016 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2016 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
2.86%
2017 Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2017 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2017 Premium - Added Crawl
0
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2017 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2017 Luxury - Added Crawl
0
0%
2017 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2017 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
2.86%
2018 Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2018 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2018 Premium - Added Crawl
0
0%
2018 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2018 Luxury - Added Crawl
0
0%
2018 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
2.86%
2018 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
2.86%
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DAC versus Crawl Control

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•••••If you have trouble... this quote from Coinball may help.

"To get the VSC light to go away (in lieu of making another video), you need to press the Crawl Control on/off button BEFORE clicking the final Exit button in the ABS test. You'll get the warning the CC isn't available unless you're in P or D and 4L (on the cluster display), and you'll be good to go from there."

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FAQ for adding Crawl Control and MTS (last updated 10.31.2018)

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• MTS and/or Crawl can be added to any model year or trim GX 460

• MTS can be installed by itself - plug and play module swap

• Crawl can be installed by itself - in addition to console switch you need to do a zero point calibration

• Crawl and MTS can obviously be installed together as well.

• MTS is NOT included with US 460's optioned with Crawl Control but Canadian top tier models include MTS with their Crawl optioned models

• If you don't have adaptive suspension (AVS) or rear air bags AHC on your 460 you will end up with two dummy switches. Here is an option that Nickk6 did on his.


[Part Numbers]

[MTS]
2010-2013
Part Number: 859A1-60020
Part Name: Computer, Driving Support Switch Control

2014+
Part Number: 859A1-60040
Part Name: Computer, Driving Support Switch Control

[Crawl Control]
2010-2019
Part Number: 84970-60070
Part Name: Combo Switch

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Calibration Guide Download
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Detailed Removal of dash components including the knee airbag / used for Remote start Install (Do not do Fig 1-2, 1-4 or 1-5)



(Thanks coinball)
Zero Point OBD method example on FJ . / Momentary contact button that might make this method easier
Techstream Zero Point Calibration screenshots
Glovebox disassembly #1
Glovebox disassembly #2 / Driver support computer location
Glovebox disassembly #3
Wiring and removal of for console switch and Driver Support Computer
Console Switch suggestions
Operational - Crawl Control
Operational - MTS (Multi Terrain Select)













Internal pics of a 080 switch which lacks crawl function



4Runner conversion (one known conversion)

FJ Conversion (no known conversions)

•••••If you have trouble... this quote from Coinball may help.

"To get the VSC light to go away (in lieu of making another video), you need to press the Crawl Control on/off button BEFORE clicking the final Exit button in the ABS test. You'll get the warning the CC isn't available unless you're in P or D and 4L (on the cluster display), and you'll be good to go from there."













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Crawl control can be used on both up and downhill right? Is DAC for downhill only? I’m curious how steep is the downhill angle it needs to be? A readon for me to head to the local road park (Hollister Hills) and try. Lol
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Personally, I would consider adding a rear locker before adding CRAWL.
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bbqsoup: Correct DAC is downhill only. It should take much downhill angle to be live.

Surfishing: I hear ya on the CRAWL... if it was just the BCM and the panel and cost less than $500 I might be game but one would probably be in a couple thousand as a guinea pig... just throwing the idea out there for some young lad to try out in the next few years who pieces it together with parts from wrecks.


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https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gx-...l#post10073791

Notice one probably needs this "Driver Support Switch Control ECU". I think I saw one within the last few months for like $30 as a used part on eBay.






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Anyone ever contacted the dealer on this?
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ObsidianBl posted some good info from that Russian thread.

Not seeing BCM or master cylinder listed to make it go live. All speculation but potentially obtainable for less than $600 retail.

I'm gathering from translation that anyone who has Park Assist has the following support module behind the glove box.

---> 859A1-60010

Multi-terrain select and crawl need module 859A1-60020

Switch assembly with Crawl ON/OFF button and speed control to replace DAC button is ---> 84970-60070



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Originally Posted by Acrad35751 View Post
ObsidianBl posted some good info from that Russian thread.

Not seeing BCM or master cylinder listed to make it go live. All speculation but potentially obtainable for less than $600 retail.

I'm gathering from translation that anyone who has Park Assist has the following support module behind the glove box.

---> 859A1-60010

Multi-terrain select and crawl need module 859A1-60020

Switch assembly with Crawl ON/OFF button and speed control to replace DAC button is ---> 84970-60070
If I understood this correctly, there is pre-wired harnesses already for the crawl and speed control switches, as well as the connectors for 859A1-60020 (assume that will accommodate additional connectors for crawl control), right? For those who had remove the console switch panel for other mods, maybe able to chime in to see if there has additional harness existed. That would be interesting if it can be added easily.
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It would appear so. The console switch is a big question though.




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Definitely interested to know. I guess sooner or later, I would made my wife's GX become a metal brick
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Definitely interested to know. I guess sooner or later, I would made my wife's GX become a metal brick
I'll be watching this thread like a hawk!!
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Some of this has probably been stated in other threads. Obviously just more information gathering. Most vehicles I have seen seem to have the full array of Driver Support options if equipped.

It is worth noting the following variations from the 2010 & 2011 model year brochures:



2012 shows this



2013 shows this:




Here is an interesting note in 2011 brochure

Wide view monitor, Crawl Control and Intuitive Parking Assist could be purchased as a standalone option. Is this a unicorn? Maybe..but it seems like similar feature-set to what the Russian thread was talking about.



Here is my real conspiracy theory stretch.... Is there already a support switch module in dash next to my glove box since I have Intuitive Parking Assist? and the other features go live if devices are connected? Could it just be the console switch I am missing? Nothing could be that simple.

Notice in the 4Runner conversion article:

http://tctmagazine.net/spring-2016/2...ntrol-retrofit




Much of the work done in that conversion occurred because he didn't have the physical MTS switch. This MTS (multi-terrain select) selection & display is all done on the center gauge display on the GX. It is just display on the 4Runner.

It may be more plug and play on the GX than implementation on 4Runner.

Just throwing ideas out there
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Some of this has probably been stated in other threads. Obviously just more information gathering. Most vehicles I have seen seem to have the full array of Driver Support options if equipped.

Here is my real conspiracy theory stretch.... Is there already a support switch module in dash next to my glove box since I have Intuitive Parking Assist? and the other features go live if devices are connected? Could it just be the console switch I am missing? Nothing could be that simple.

Notice in the 4Runner conversion article:

http://tctmagazine.net/spring-2016/2...ntrol-retrofit




Much of the work done in that conversion occurred because he didn't have the physical MTS switch. This MTS (multi-terrain select) selection & display is all done on the center gauge display on the GX. It is just display on the 4Runner.

It may be more plug and play on the GX than implementation on 4Runner.

Just throwing ideas out there
You could be right. I guess the easiest way to know is the see how the connectors behind console with panel between with or without crawl control. If there is a reasonable priced switch panel available, and existing wire harnesses seems fit, I will definitely try to see what happens.
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