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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 09:27 AM
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Definitely seeing more Rivian's on the road. This morning I was surrounded by 6 Tesla's, than finally....

Are you sure that isn't the same one you drove?
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Definitely seeing more Rivian's on the road. This morning I was surrounded by 6 Tesla's, than finally....

I read your R1T review. I agree, I really like Rivian after riding in one and driving it (my buddy has the R1S). I like everything about it and would absolutely own one.
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 10:35 AM
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Are you sure that isn't the same one you drove?
Totally sure
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
I read your R1T review. I agree, I really like Rivian after riding in one and driving it (my buddy has the R1S). I like everything about it and would absolutely own one.
The R2S is supposed to be coming out soon, I may be interested in that when I return our Ioniq in 2025
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 05:40 PM
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Rivian has done a great job with complexity and by extension cost reduction but it creates a major problem when it comes to collision repair. Without PDR the entire back portion of the truck would have needed replacement. I'd be surprised if any body shop would take on such a job at all. Luckily this PDR artist made that unnecessary.

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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:24 PM
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Solid quarter from Rivian, big news -
  • EDVs no longer limited to Amazon
  • Produced 16,304 R1, delivered 15,564 R1
  • Increasing expected production to 54K R1 vehicles this year
  • Losing $30.6K per delivery which is down from $32.6K in Q2 and $140K in Q3 of 2022. Trending in the right direction
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:40 PM
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Losing $30.6K per delivery which is down from $32.6K in Q2 and $140K in Q3 of 2022. Trending in the right direction
haha, so 30k loss x 54k units for the year is -1.6Bn.
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 01:54 PM
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Probably higher because previous quarters had a higher per unit loss It's the cost of scaling. Tesla didn't have a full profitable year until 2021 (if you exclude carbon credits). Being able to produce EDVs for companies other than Amazon should help expedite the unit loss reduction
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 10:09 AM
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Someone in my neighborhood just got an EQE Mercedes - I'm not the biggest fan of the EQS (I don't dislike it), but the EQE looked good. She was pulling out of the 'hood driving next to me and it looked good from all angles I saw today. It was a really nice grey/cement looking color. I hadn't seen one before today.
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
Someone in my neighborhood just got an EQE Mercedes - I'm not the biggest fan of the EQS (I don't dislike it), but the EQE looked good. She was pulling out of the 'hood driving next to me and it looked good from all angles I saw today. It was a really nice grey/cement looking color. I hadn't seen one before today.
I've been driving an EQE350 SUV for a week now. If you're the typical Mercedes driver that enjoys simply wafting around town it's hard to go wrong with this car honestly. A good friend of mine is working with a dealer now just because she liked my loaner so much and was tired of her Model Y. For me? The minute you drive in anger it seems to really fall apart from a dynamic standpoint. The mushy brake pedal and soft suspension tell you very clearly to cut the ****.
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 10:28 AM
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I really don't get all the focus on losses per EV or the posts about those losses from certain people whenever anyone that isn't Tesla posts financials. They are an inevitable consequence of the necessary investment in R&D, plant, machinery and more. And, of course, they carry forward and shield future profit from tax.
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
I've been driving an EQE350 SUV for a week now. If you're the typical Mercedes driver that enjoys simply wafting around town it's hard to go wrong with this car honestly. A good friend of mine is working with a dealer now just because she liked my loaner so much and was tired of her Model Y. For me? The minute you drive in anger it seems to really fall apart from a dynamic standpoint. The mushy brake pedal and soft suspension tell you very clearly to cut the ****.
No Sports Mode that stiffens the suspension? I can push both my Polestar and Model Y to the limits. The Polestar does understeer a bit, but is easily brought under control....and that's in normal mode. It does tend to cut power a bit if I go hard in a steep turn, but that's because it has so much instant torque it doesn't want you to end up in a pole or ditch
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
I've been driving an EQE350 SUV for a week now. If you're the typical Mercedes driver that enjoys simply wafting around town it's hard to go wrong with this car honestly. A good friend of mine is working with a dealer now just because she liked my loaner so much and was tired of her Model Y. For me? The minute you drive in anger it seems to really fall apart from a dynamic standpoint. The mushy brake pedal and soft suspension tell you very clearly to cut the ****.
Like @AMIRZA786 said, does it have the fixed steel springs or optional Air Suspension?
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
I've been driving an EQE350 SUV for a week now. If you're the typical Mercedes driver that enjoys simply wafting around town it's hard to go wrong with this car honestly. A good friend of mine is working with a dealer now just because she liked my loaner so much and was tired of her Model Y. For me? The minute you drive in anger it seems to really fall apart from a dynamic standpoint. The mushy brake pedal and soft suspension tell you very clearly to cut the ****.
What I saw today was the EQE sedan, should have clarified. Wonder if that's any different based on your feedback.
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
No Sports Mode that stiffens the suspension? I can push both my Polestar and Model Y to the limits. The Polestar does understeer a bit, but is easily brought under control....and that's in normal mode. It does tend to cut power a bit if I go hard in a steep turn, but that's because it has so much instant torque it doesn't want you to end up in a pole or ditch
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Like @AMIRZA786 said, does it have the fixed steel springs or optional Air Suspension?
Air suspension but no mode to stiffen it. I'm not surprised, these EVA2 platform cars did not have athletics in mind and are massively heavy. The example I'm driving is just over 5700lbs. This is why there is no "AMG 63" model for any cars on this platform, they're just named "AMG EQx" in the U.S. and then get the 43 and 53 designation elsewhere depending on trim.

The forums seem to indicate the fixed steel spring cars are less floaty. Like I said, around town it's perfect with cosseting ride. I've driven a Model 3 and a Taycan on the track, I know there's EVs out there that can dance but this just isn't one. I'm excited to see test the true AMG electric cars coming in the next couple of years.
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