luxury car brand loyalty declining
#31
Look at a MBZ, Lexus, whatever, with all the switches, buttons, etc. While many are used to and prefer this, others prefer, and are drawn to, futuristic design.
After driving the Model 3, I find our Lexi overly complicated.
Teslas regularly get new voice commands and other improvements via OTA updates. If you haven't experienced this, it may be hard to understand how amazing some of the updates are.
My most used voice commands are, "Set the tem to ..." , "Turn up/down fan." and "Play Paul Butterfield."
As a small sample, here are a few climate controls set by voice:
- "Make it cooler"
- "Make it warmer"
- "Turn on/off the driver's seat heater"
- "Cool down the passenger"
- "Direct airflow to my face"
- "Sync climate"
- "Increase/decrease the fan speed"
- "Turn on/off rear defroster"
- "Speed up the wipers"
- "Increase/decrease windshield wiper speed by..."
- "Turn on/off the wipers"
Last edited by JeffKeryk; 08-14-22 at 09:32 AM.
#32
Many of these commands are available in my NX 450H. No doubt more are to follow. It does make it easy.
It is true, at least in high tech Silicon Valley. Tech sells.
Look at a MBZ, Lexus, whatever, with all the switches, buttons, etc. While many are used to and prefer this, others prefer, and are drawn to, futuristic design.
After driving the Model 3, I find our Lexi overly complicated.
Teslas regularly get new voice commands and other improvements via OTA updates. If you haven't experienced this, it may be hard to understand how amazing some of the updates are.
My most used voice commands are, "Set the tem to ..." , "Turn up/down fan." and "Play Paul Butterfield."
As a small sample, here are a few climate controls set by voice:
Look at a MBZ, Lexus, whatever, with all the switches, buttons, etc. While many are used to and prefer this, others prefer, and are drawn to, futuristic design.
After driving the Model 3, I find our Lexi overly complicated.
Teslas regularly get new voice commands and other improvements via OTA updates. If you haven't experienced this, it may be hard to understand how amazing some of the updates are.
My most used voice commands are, "Set the tem to ..." , "Turn up/down fan." and "Play Paul Butterfield."
As a small sample, here are a few climate controls set by voice:
- "Make it cooler"
- "Make it warmer"
- "Turn on/off the driver's seat heater"
- "Cool down the passenger"
- "Direct airflow to my face"
- "Sync climate"
- "Increase/decrease the fan speed"
- "Turn on/off rear defroster"
- "Speed up the wipers"
- "Increase/decrease windshield wiper speed by..."
- "Turn on/off the wipers"
#33
Lexus Champion
Basically after owning multiple Lexus vehicles over the years and then getting a Model 3, there is nothing else she will buy or drive. Her LS460 is fully loaded, has all the bells and whistles like heated seats, massaging seats etc but for some reason prefers the Model 3. I'm sure this would be the case of many Lexus owners because she was among the die hard
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 08-14-22 at 04:52 PM.
#34
It is true, at least in high tech Silicon Valley. Tech sells.
Look at a MBZ, Lexus, whatever, with all the switches, buttons, etc. While many are used to and prefer this, others prefer, and are drawn to, futuristic design.
After driving the Model 3, I find our Lexi overly complicated.
Teslas regularly get new voice commands and other improvements via OTA updates. If you haven't experienced this, it may be hard to understand how amazing some of the updates are.
My most used voice commands are, "Set the tem to ..." , "Turn up/down fan." and "Play Paul Butterfield."
As a small sample, here are a few climate controls set by voice:
Look at a MBZ, Lexus, whatever, with all the switches, buttons, etc. While many are used to and prefer this, others prefer, and are drawn to, futuristic design.
After driving the Model 3, I find our Lexi overly complicated.
Teslas regularly get new voice commands and other improvements via OTA updates. If you haven't experienced this, it may be hard to understand how amazing some of the updates are.
My most used voice commands are, "Set the tem to ..." , "Turn up/down fan." and "Play Paul Butterfield."
As a small sample, here are a few climate controls set by voice:
- "Make it cooler"
- "Make it warmer"
- "Turn on/off the driver's seat heater"
- "Cool down the passenger"
- "Direct airflow to my face"
- "Sync climate"
- "Increase/decrease the fan speed"
- "Turn on/off rear defroster"
- "Speed up the wipers"
- "Increase/decrease windshield wiper speed by..."
- "Turn on/off the wipers"
Last edited by 1111GS; 08-14-22 at 07:41 PM.
#35
It takes me 1 second to hit a physical button or to flick a stalk than spend 20 seconds giving some voice command for basic function.
it’s great if you’re eating supersized Wendy’s with greasy fingers and that’s about it.
You are mistaking the voice commands on the Tesla as the most efficient way to operate. It’s only done out of necessity for having no buttons. The Silicon Valley inference is also misrepresented. It’s not a single collective thing with a union.
it’s great if you’re eating supersized Wendy’s with greasy fingers and that’s about it.
You are mistaking the voice commands on the Tesla as the most efficient way to operate. It’s only done out of necessity for having no buttons. The Silicon Valley inference is also misrepresented. It’s not a single collective thing with a union.
Last edited by 703; 08-14-22 at 10:28 PM.
#36
Advanced
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BMW is struggling to manufacture cars this year (supply chain), which has to be one reason Tesla is killing them in the market. BMW is profitable, due to selling more high end and EV cars. But you can't sell what you can't produce.
Tesla has managed the pandemic related problems better than other car companies, which is a result of better management including vertical integration.
Tesla will probably outsell BMW worldwide within a few years. Additionally, once Berlin, Shanghai and Austin ramp the Model Y might become the #1 selling car overtaking the Corolla. Quite a feat for a $70K vehicle.
Tesla has managed the pandemic related problems better than other car companies, which is a result of better management including vertical integration.
Tesla will probably outsell BMW worldwide within a few years. Additionally, once Berlin, Shanghai and Austin ramp the Model Y might become the #1 selling car overtaking the Corolla. Quite a feat for a $70K vehicle.
#37
IMO, a lot of this "Tesla loyalty" has to do with gas prices. How can it not feel good not having to pay 7 bucks a gallon? Esp in Silicon Valley where a six figure salary is considered poor? That's why we see a disproportional number between model 3s and the rest. Model 3s after the everything factored in are as cheap/affordable as a Camry or Accord.
I'm not on 3, 5 or M, but I'm on X forums... I don't see any urge to get a Tesla from these folks. If one is concerned about the gas, they seem to be happy with a PHEV. The majority hates the buttonless design.
No kidding. Some buttons are also assignable so they do wonder. Imagine driving on freeway and hit with a big rain and you are either non English speaking or have heavy accent. Lol
That's all well and good, but some BMW owners I'm around (3, 5, and M series) are buying Tesla's as their daily commuters or altogether switching to Tesla's. My boss who is a perfect example no longer drives his 5 series and mainly drives his model X. There must be some reason Tesla's Model 3 and Y are top sellers... being priced at BMW money. The point you are missing is that the reason Tesla is out selling everyone and the brand has loyalty is because it's vehicles are technologically advanced which is why they are in such great demand. The reason I'm not buying one (although I have not completely ruled out buying one) is I'm not a fan of the simplistic cabin, lack of stuff like turn signal stalk and most physical buttons, and of course price. But honestly when I drive in one, all that gets overlooked. Anyway, no more Tesla talk...
It takes me 1 second to hit a physical button or to flick a stalk than spend 20 seconds giving some voice command for basic function.
it’s great if you’re eating supersized Wendy’s with greasy fingers and that’s about it.
You are mistaking the voice commands on the Tesla as the most efficient way to operate. It’s only done out of necessity for having no buttons. The Silicon Valley inference is also misrepresented. It’s not a single collective thing with a union.
it’s great if you’re eating supersized Wendy’s with greasy fingers and that’s about it.
You are mistaking the voice commands on the Tesla as the most efficient way to operate. It’s only done out of necessity for having no buttons. The Silicon Valley inference is also misrepresented. It’s not a single collective thing with a union.
#38
#39
what does silicon have to do with your statement about other brands don’t have that vc? They do. Depending on where the commander sits, it will set the correct seat accordingly. If the command is given again, it will increase the heat level. I don’t use vc only my kiddo messes with it when he’s with me. Not sure about all the listed commands but they seem like something the car would do. Speaking of tech, while vc is convenient in some cases like setting rear ac or find some place on the go, most are gimmic imo. A more useful tech is detecting obstacles ahead of you. Or give it a specific hand move and it will take you home.
There is a ton of dislike for the Tesla 3/Y tablet interface and minimalist interior among the current customer base.
But young people take to it naturally; things are changing.
#40
Lexus Champion
IMO, a lot of this "Tesla loyalty" has to do with gas prices. How can it not feel good not having to pay 7 bucks a gallon? Esp in Silicon Valley where a six figure salary is considered poor? That's why we see a disproportional number between model 3s and the rest. Model 3s after the everything factored in are as cheap/affordable as a Camry or Accord.
I'm not on 3, 5 or M, but I'm on X forums... I don't see any urge to get a Tesla from these folks. If one is concerned about the gas, they seem to be happy with a PHEV. The majority hates the buttonless design.
No kidding. Some buttons are also assignable so they do wonder. Imagine driving on freeway and hit with a big rain and you are either non English speaking or have heavy accent. Lol
I'm not on 3, 5 or M, but I'm on X forums... I don't see any urge to get a Tesla from these folks. If one is concerned about the gas, they seem to be happy with a PHEV. The majority hates the buttonless design.
No kidding. Some buttons are also assignable so they do wonder. Imagine driving on freeway and hit with a big rain and you are either non English speaking or have heavy accent. Lol
In California where I live, and this could be specific to the people I'm around, many owners of cars like Toyota, Lexus and BMW are buying and either switching their commuters to Model 3 or Y, or outright selling their cars and replacing them. And it's not because of gas prices because these are people who $5 a gallon is just an inconvenience. Tesla has already outsold Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW in the US Market:
https://www.teslaownersonline.com/th...or-2021.20398/
https://www.autonews.com/sales/tesla...crown-***-says
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 08-15-22 at 08:51 AM.
#41
IMO, a lot of this "Tesla loyalty" has to do with gas prices. How can it not feel good not having to pay 7 bucks a gallon? Esp in Silicon Valley where a six figure salary is considered poor? That's why we see a disproportional number between model 3s and the rest. Model 3s after the everything factored in are as cheap/affordable as a Camry or Accord.
I'm not on 3, 5 or M, but I'm on X forums... I don't see any urge to get a Tesla from these folks. If one is concerned about the gas, they seem to be happy with a PHEV. The majority hates the buttonless design.
No kidding. Some buttons are also assignable so they do wonder. Imagine driving on freeway and hit with a big rain and you are either non English speaking or have heavy accent. Lol
I'm not on 3, 5 or M, but I'm on X forums... I don't see any urge to get a Tesla from these folks. If one is concerned about the gas, they seem to be happy with a PHEV. The majority hates the buttonless design.
No kidding. Some buttons are also assignable so they do wonder. Imagine driving on freeway and hit with a big rain and you are either non English speaking or have heavy accent. Lol
Tesla voice commands support many languages and more continue to be added. And don't worry about the windshield wipers; they are automatic. You can also control them via voice commands.
#42
#43
Lexus Champion
That's not quite true as the majority of Lexus owners lease. Lease rates for Lexus are tied with BMW and above both Mercedes and Audi.
#44
#45
Lexus Champion
Tesla uses 3-5x less modules vs. the typical auto maker and repurposes chips because they code everything in house. Along with demand this is the result.
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