When he made that comment, I was going to reply something like "I think he really stepped in it now", but decided to leave that to others....

 

ICE cars have dominated society and culture for 100 years so it's understandable that general sentiment lags what is actually happening.

And of course the ultimate in luxury is associated with cars that have giant V8 or even V12 engines.

 

Uhm... maybe you should do the math to confirm yourself. Model 3 is not even considered expensive. It's an equivalent Accord/Camry after everything is factored into the math. Even one of the Tesla owners here admitted it too. But I get it. You and many don't see it that way. Model Y may cost 70K but if you do your math right, it's not a 70K vehicle.

 

Well I think a lot of CL members would disagree with you there...especially the "non Tesla" crowd . But I understand what you are saying

 

Like who? Maybe a better choice of word is luxury. This is how they are stacked up without the prepaid gas.

 

I don't want to get into who, but I've seen multiple posts including reply's to me specifically saying the Model 3 is expensive...using that very word. I've never seen anyone say a Camry or Accord is expensive. Using the energy saving calculations is meaningless to people who don't believe it, and there are many people on CL who actually don't believe that EV's can save you money. Just look at as an example the Motor Trend article I posted...it's been called everything from propaganda to shrill...and even paid advertising.

And actually the $40K price for the Model 3...I believe that includes the gas savings calculations...look at the very bottom of the page

 

That saving is for the 48490 vehicle. Just look at the starting prices. I guess we can say Camry/Accord are expensive and luxurious. Lol

 

I don't have any problems with your calculations or assessment! That said, you don't start seeing the savings until you haven't had to fill up your tank for a few months. You still see the monthly payment, which is by no means small

 

Are you serious man? What kind of saving is this? You either pay first or pay later. I'm out for this "discussion".

 

LOL..not so cheap is it? Nobody buys a Model 3 because it's cheap or to save money. That's like buying a house in the Bay area just so you can write off the Mortgage interest on your taxes

 

They do have lower running costs but if you don't drive much a lease will always cost more than you would ever spend on running costs.....the EV means you will pay more per month and it only makes sense if you were already using a lot of distance to make up the gas cost. If you don't use much then it's just flat out more expensive for a fewer feature car.

At the end of the day $5000 will get you a 100% reliable form of transport and anything past that is some form of luxury....

 

Nope, not a car you buy if you rarely drive. My brother who drives less than 100 miles a month (he works from home) is holding on to his old Infiniti G37 with nearly 200K on it because it's paid off, and he barely spends anything on gas fill-ups

 

I honestly have that exact issue with my fleet, I sometimes have to intentionally drive a car otherwise only the LSs and Audi get driven regularly. The Jeep is only used to go to and from work on days I know it's going to be a messy job or I am picking up major parts.

Only car I'm paying anything on right now is the 460 and it's hilariously cheap, finance terms were so good I was technically being paid for the loan due to inflation and all that. Everything else is just insurance (very low due to how seldom driven they are, my Saturn for example is $17 a month) and gas.

 

How do you insure those cars...just liability or full coverage? Honestly you are better off cutting some of the fat. Even if you are paying very little on insurance, when you add it up you'll be surprised. I was paying about $45 a month for my IS that was just sitting. $45 x 12 and now $540 a year! Save that for two years and that's a trip to Hawaii for two!

 

Up here, the price disparity is wider.





I think I get what you’re saying…hard to get an opinion out in any EV thread …but I think hybrids make more sense for vast majority of consumers. No charging required. 600-700 miles of range. IMO, I don’t care for hybrid part in any way….rather just have straight gas model