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I would take a '22 Accord with the 2.0T over the Legacy for sure. But the '23 offers either the 182hp 1.5T, or a 202hp hybrid, AND doesn't look as good as the outgoing model, so no thanks.
Subaru brought the turbo 4 back to the top two trims (Sport and Touring) of the Legacy, so that would probably be my choice in the segment currently, even though it has a CVT. For a few years, it had neither the old H6 nor a turbo 4 (just the NA 2.5L), so I definitely would have gone Accord during that window--especially the years that you could get an Accord Sport 2.0T with a 6-speed manual!
I'd take the VW Arteon over either of these, but it's $6-13k more than the Accord or Legacy. But with a proven 300hp 2.0T, AWD in most trims, a great DSG, and upscale interior, I personally think it's worth it.
Subaru brought the turbo 4 back to the top two trims (Sport and Touring) of the Legacy, so that would probably be my choice in the segment currently, even though it has a CVT. For a few years, it had neither the old H6 nor a turbo 4 (just the NA 2.5L), so I definitely would have gone Accord during that window--especially the years that you could get an Accord Sport 2.0T with a 6-speed manual!
I'd take the VW Arteon over either of these, but it's $6-13k more than the Accord or Legacy. But with a proven 300hp 2.0T, AWD in most trims, a great DSG, and upscale interior, I personally think it's worth it.
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The CVT is an automatic disqualifier for me. I’d have to drive the new Accord, I think the styling is fine.
The Arteon may be worth it, but that’s a bigger price gap than most buyers in the segment can take.
The Arteon may be worth it, but that’s a bigger price gap than most buyers in the segment can take.
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I'll take the Subaru.
Unless it has a CVT, and then I don't want it.
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I'll take the extra 50% hp/torque and AWD.
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