Subaru is better. Accord has no awd.

 

Subarus have just never appealed to me, the AWD is great…

 

Honda tried marketing the AWD Accord-based Crosstour, but it was not a sales success...Toyota also did not have much success with the 1Gen AWD Camry-based Venza. The Subaru Outback really has this corner of the market locked down.

 

In that size I'll take an E-class......

 

LMAO...for 3 times as much money. Yes I know you can buy a used one but we're talking about new cars.

 

I would take a '22 Accord with the 2.0T over the Legacy for sure. But the '23 offers either the 182hp 1.5T, or a 202hp hybrid, AND doesn't look as good as the outgoing model, so no thanks.

Subaru brought the turbo 4 back to the top two trims (Sport and Touring) of the Legacy, so that would probably be my choice in the segment currently, even though it has a CVT. For a few years, it had neither the old H6 nor a turbo 4 (just the NA 2.5L), so I definitely would have gone Accord during that window--especially the years that you could get an Accord Sport 2.0T with a 6-speed manual!

I'd take the VW Arteon over either of these, but it's $6-13k more than the Accord or Legacy. But with a proven 300hp 2.0T, AWD in most trims, a great DSG, and upscale interior, I personally think it's worth it.

 

The CVT is an automatic disqualifier for me. I’d have to drive the new Accord, I think the styling is fine.

The Arteon may be worth it, but that’s a bigger price gap than most buyers in the segment can take.

 

I'll take the Subaru.

Unless it has a CVT, and then I don't want it.

 

Well both the Accord and the Legacy have a CVT, so now what? I'll take the extra 50% hp/torque and AWD.

Yep, and I acknowledged that in my post.

 

I think I read that VW will discontinue the Arteon. Maybe after the 2023 model year.

 

Good point...I still just don't find Subarus appealing. I would probably get the Accord Hybrid, or honestly I would go to something like a CX-5.

 

Fun fact--the Accord Hybrid doesn't have a transmission at all.

 

Possible new thread worthy to put these all contenders up against eachother?

 

Well, it doesnt have a transmission in the traditional sense

 

AWD doesn't make a car "best". Subaru Ascent has been hammered with reliability issues. Subaru engines are noisy and underpowered. Legacy would really have to blow me away to choose it over an Accord.