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‘They already do have a battery EV Two of them technically with the fuel cell Mirai. and now a set of three more battery EVs coming with the BZ4, Subaru and upcoming Lexus crossover
There is also the Lexus UX300e which is available in Europe
I also mentioned this in the G80 thread, but I just saw the performance and fuel economy figures of the new 2.4T in the NX and I'm quite disappointed. This does not appear to be much of a step up from the current 2.0T and certainly not near the power of the outgoing 3.5 NA V6 despite the HP numbers.
Jesus that's bad. My 430s beat that in all aspects, wife just took the 02 to Vermont and averaged 31 both ways going 10-20 over
You were getting 31mpg when the LS is rated for 19 combined or 23 on the hwy?
In my experience, it's not difficult to beat the official EPA Highway figures in mild weather, without the A/C compressor working, lightly loaded, without stoplights, and on more or less level ground. Besting the EPA City figures in stop-and-go driving, though, with stop and go driving, is more difficult.
If you think about it, a hybrid is many times more complex than ev. Toyota can quickly develop a bunch of EVs if they need to, they just arent sold on this craze.
while i agree with your first point, i don't agree they can quickly develop a bunch of EVs. besides the complexity of the software involved (remember, if a hybrid battery management isn't mega efficient, oh well, the ice takes over), there's sourcing enough batteries to make said quickly developed EVs.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
That's the power of the media for you. Scandals or no scandals, the media has never liked diesels because they are ICE powerplants.
maybe you're only talking about north american media because diesels were the only 'sensible' choice in europe for decades. now of course they're evil.
Originally Posted by LeX2K
Why is Toyota bothering with BEVs with hydrogen is clearly the future? I don't understand.
Originally Posted by Hameed
That's what I was wondering about too.
Originally Posted by EZZ
Yet they actively lobby to slow down the EV movement. Pretty despicable.
guys, if you're going to do dry sarcasm, would appreciate you adding a smiley at least as members not familiar with your 'banter' here might think you're serious. thanks.
maybe you're only talking about north american media because diesels were the only 'sensible' choice in europe for decades. now of course they're evil.
Yes, primarily the American media. And, no, today's Bluetec/TDI/Common-Rail diesels and low-sulfur diesel are NOT evil...but the media convinces gullible people otherwise. One of the worst offenders is right here in D.C....the Washington Compost
As they say in many countries, the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on. European manufacturers are being forced by their governments to jump on the EV bandwagon, but Toyota is trying to be sensible - maybe the Japanese culture prevents them from comprehending the West's hypocrisy and farce to the full extent. Nevertheless, with less choice of ICE cars, Toyota will only be able to command higher prices for their vehicles, but of course they will also have to pay some environmental tax.
As they say in many countries, the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on. European manufacturers are being forced by their governments to jump on the EV bandwagon, but Toyota is trying to be sensible - maybe the Japanese culture prevents them from comprehending the West's hypocrisy and farce to the full extent. Nevertheless, with less choice of ICE cars, Toyota will only be able to command higher prices for their vehicles, but of course they will also have to pay some environmental tax.
Some new (or increased) taxes on BEVs are probably inevitable, because revenue from both Federal and State gasoline-taxes is drying up from fewer miles driven, more electric vehicles on the road, and the higher-MPG gas vehicles today.
As they say in many countries, the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on.
Some new (or increased) taxes on BEVs are probably inevitable, because revenue from both Federal and State gasoline-taxes is drying up from fewer miles driven, more electric vehicles on the road, and the higher-MPG gas vehicles today.
guys, if you're going to do dry sarcasm, would appreciate you adding a smiley at least as members not familiar with your 'banter' here might think you're serious. thanks.
I'm not really being sarcastic Toyota has talked up hydrogen and their leadership in the tech for years. If they truly believe in it then embrace it. Build out a hydrogen infrastructure like Tesla built out a charging network. Go all in. Instead Toyota is trying to make us believe a mixture of gas, gas hybrid, hydrogen, BEV, solid state batteries etc. are the way forward. That seems like a total loser strategy the parts chain alone will be incredibly complex and expensive. Can you imagine what dealers will have to contend with? How are they going to service and repair so many different drivetrains?
I'm not really being sarcastic Toyota has talked up hydrogen and their leadership in the tech for years. If they truly believe in it then embrace it. Build out a hydrogen infrastructure like Tesla built out a charging network. Go all in. Instead Toyota is trying to make us believe a mixture of gas, gas hybrid, hydrogen, BEV, solid state batteries etc. are the way forward. That seems like a total loser strategy the parts chain alone will be incredibly complex and expensive. Can you imagine what dealers will have to contend with? How are they going to service and repair so many different drivetrains?
Two of them technically with the fuel cell Mirai. and now a set of three more battery EVs coming with the BZ4, Subaru and upcoming Lexus crossover
