I think Prius was in 1995 for Jason. I also believe (but I’m not sure) that GM was the first with the hybrid invention and concepts.

Yeah…it’s no brainer. People just have to look past the 60M in front of them

 

That is because it is really long in the tooth and slow. A new model that had decent power would likely sell in huge numbers.

 

How are you going to make a Prius faster? Put in a bigger battery? lol.

 

The comparisons totally different. EV's have far more compromises compared to ICE and are not seen as really any improvement or convenience compared to film vs digital.

Film camera's had a big problem and that was a user in pretty much all cases has to send the film off to get developed which got more and more expensive and took several days. If someone wanted to share those pics that was not easy either, they would either have to make copies or get a scanner, scan them, print that out or put them in a computer. Digital offered so much convenience with very little draw backs and no major infrastructure investment or destruction to the environment, etc. Film was not outlawed/banned either, it still exists if you want it but the market chose digital, the market is not choosing EV's, politicians are. Some film makers also shoot on film and I think movies shot on film look so much better.

 

1997 in Japan and July 2000 for the U.S. As I recalled in the last post, I saw the first one in the D.C. area in August.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...-hybrid-in-u-s





Not necessarily for a gas/electric hybrid. GM did have the all-electric/BEV Impact back in the 1990s, but that was leased, through Saturn dealers (oops, retailers LOL) to only a limited number of customers, and the project was dropped.

I never could get over the Impact's styling...to me, it looked like a turtle LOL.

 

How about a bigger engine that makes more power, better transmission, and sure, a larger battery. I think if it was a more traditional sedan it may sell better instead of that ugly hatch that has not aged well.

 

So does pretty much every plant needed to charge EV's and that will only increase. Passenger cars are not the big emitters of CO2, it is ships/boats, trucks, aircraft, military vehicles, and construction vehicles and there is no realistic way to make them EV's.

 

For years, the Prius, despite quirky styling, even quirkier interior controls, and ultra-light/thin components to save weight, relied on its well-known cult of followers built-up in the first decade.......Celebrities, professors, environmentalists, librarians, and those who were taught, from youth, that the automobile as we know it is evil. It was termed "The car for those who don't like cars".

 

Larger displacement means it uses more fuel and can't meet regulations why do you think Toyota is scrapping the V8, soon the V6.
The grid can (and I believe will) be 100% clean or close to it. A petrol car will NEVER be clean no matter how much 💩 Akio Toyoda tries to shovel around.
Completely different topic.

 

Its despicable because they bet on the wrong horse and now that they are behind, they don't try to out innovate and out compete in the market and instead have to lobby to slow efforts on how the market is developing. Pretty pathetic.

 

Sorry but we have completely different views on EV. I have 2 ICE and 1 EV in the household and from my personal experience, the EV is a faaaar better drive, better performance, more convenient as a daily driver, way less maintenance, and far superior overall experience than any ICE i've owned to this date. So yes, the far better technology will win out which will be EV. The comparison is completely valid in my opinion.

 

Exactly same experience here.

 

Yes easily, those numbers are way off real life for the 430s and mine are tuned.

 

1997….So I was close…

 

Nearly impossible to beat the city numbers, if you manage to coast a lot of there is space between lights it's somewhat possible to get 3-4 more but ultimately a waste of effort. If you are driving at night on an empty interstate though....