Love it! Good times

 

sticker mpg on the Ram is 15/21, 17 combined, I get exactly sticker mpg. A 5.7 Tundra couldnt dream of those numbers

except where do you see huge fleets of tundras? Exactly

 

Well, I trust a Car and Driver long term road test over a year and 40,000 miles more than the EPA.

14MPG was their average. That is zero better than a Tundra.

If you're getting sticker, good....but it doesn't seem that's the norm.

If you get 21MPG highway, I get 20 and change though I'm only rated for 17. And my vehicle is the heaviest one the 5.7 pushes around out of all of them.

So my 5.7 is dreaming, highway mileage at least. Like I said, I don't really think EPA is that accurate in real world.

 

ive gotten EPA mileage consistently across multiple vehicles

if you look on fuelly, the tundra is consistently around 14 mpg on average across many years. 2019/20/21 Rams are 15.4, 16.5, 16.6. Far more data than C&Ds one data point

 

Oh the fuel mileage on my Tundra is absolute trash. But I couldn't possibly care less.

 

This.

So yeah, who cares. More power to Ram for better mpg.

However EPA is wrong by a lot on my truck.

 

EPA vs reality is hard to compare because many people don't drive in the conditions used for the EPA test. 55 highway? YIKES. In my F-150 with the 5.0, EPA is 15/17/21. I've hit 15 in the city, I've hit 21 on the highway. But it definitely requires certain conditions. For the highway, I need to keep it at 70-75 or avoid long climbs. I can get up to 22 on ideal drives. In the city, my commute to work has a good bit of distance between stoplights and I can do 15-16. But if I'm running errands with a lot of stop and go and sitting around, it drops to 11-12.

Toyota owners are about to get the same realization that Ford Ecoboost owners have had for the last 10 years. You get Eco or you get Boost. You don't get them both at the same time.

As was said by Steve before, this will sell to the same people that have always bought Tundras. It won't steal any significant number of buyers from the Big 3. It's not a Toyota for truck guys, it's a truck for Toyota guys. It'll be a good vehicle and make its loyal fanbase happy, and presumably make Toyota executives and shareholders happy. It just doesn't interest most of us domestic truck buyers. My F-150 has been very good to me and the last 4 years and 50,000 miles have been great. No reason to change for me.

 

‘The problem with the 5.7 from RAM is that it requires mid grade fuel, so the operating costs start to balance out. The mild hybrid 5.7 is nice…but the true operating costs of the regular 5.7 V8s are not that much different as the Tundra only requires regular…Toyota makes the better 5.7 V8 but RAM is a better truck…but won’t last as long.

 

First reviews are out:

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/10/12/...-drive-review/

 

i keep seeing 3.4L mentioned, isn't it 3.5L?

 

interesting:

waiting for it...

 

Saw that too, the 5.7 in tundra was designed to feel more rough. I didn’t finish the Auto blog article. They are not as good as they used to be. Autoblog has lost its way.

waiting for Motor Trend

 

is the new tundra the only one among its peers wasting huge amounts of space with the old school shifter and crappy pleather boot? apart from that, looks good.

 

No, it's technically a 3.4.

Flat silly to call the outgoing V8 unrefined, what a joke. Versions of that engine went into Lexus cars. But if the new one performs well and gets good mpg, great. They said this too:

"The majority of Tundras will get the version that spins out 389 horsepower and 479 pound-feet of torque, which is 8 more ponies and 78 more lb-ft than the old V8. So the lack of sound doesn’t equal a lack of power. The way it delivers its power, though, is very different. The old adage that there’s no replacement for displacement is not true – turbochargers, direct injection, variable valvetrains and modern computer controls do a fine job – but a big ‘ol V8’s lumpy and unstressed nature with tons of low-rpm torque is difficult to mimic with a boosted six. Instead of a load of power from the word go, the new I-Force-branded turbo mill builds power as it revs.

The biggest demerit with the standard turbo V6 is that it sometimes feels flat when the driver calls for a quick boost of power. Some of this unresponsiveness could be due to the time it takes for the turbos to spool up"

 

Nope. Shifter is good for Toyota. Should be gated though. That’s not to say the way others do it aren’t good.