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So why not Lexus? I like the idea of both LX and LQ, rather a lot actually.
If you look at the prices at Lexus.com. GX starts at $55K and the LX starts at $89K. That means there definitely is room for something that is crossover in between, let’s say $70K or $75K.
that said, the new Land Cruiser jumped in price so we could expect a jump in price for the LX as well.
lexus can sell a LQ and a LX. Plus…people underestimate the loyalty and satisfaction of body on frame Toyota or Lexus Japan made SUVs. Highest loyalty for the Toyota and Lexus brand….and it runs worldwide
Disagree on the other but I don't feel like debating it anymore honestly. I think you/anyone know what I meant. But my question to you is why are you so sure the LQ is cancelled?
Because I know Lexus. They'e not going to market two utilities in the same segment, they are way too conservative for that.
I don't know prices off top of my head but I'm sure BMW Audi and MB offer more than one "non-car" vehicle that are near each other in price but different vehicles, and expensive.
Lexus is not BMW, Audi or MB, all you have to do is look at their lineups to see that. They all have tons of unique models and niche vehicles, SUV coupes and all...Toyota/Lexus will never do any of that.
Originally Posted by AJT123
I know now I'm REALLY dreaming but what if the LQ is coming and is a Maybach level crossover... I've seen some speculation. So, SW, that would definitely be more expensive than 300LX.
That would be a huge mistake as the market is in that $70-$110k price point. What I want is a vehicle that I would be interested in buying. I'm not buying a $130k+ anything.
Lexus could do it and do it right if they REALLY wanted to. But I'm dreaming, I know.
They can do all of it, they can own all their competitors they just lack the will.
If you look at the prices at Lexus.com. GX starts at $55K and the LX starts at $89K. That means there definitely is room for something that is crossover in between, let’s say $70K or $75K.
Absolutely there is, but thats not what he was talking about. There is absolutely room for a lower priced crossover below the LX. Theres not room for two vehicles at the same price point.
LQ needs to be higher level than LX, luxury BMW X7 wise. I never said it wouldn't work at different price points. I don't care either way, I just hope they release both.
LQ needs to be higher level than LX, luxury BMW X7 wise. I never said it wouldn't work at different price points. I don't care either way, I just hope they release both.
The X7 is not "higher level than the LX", it starts in the 70s. Completely loaded V8 X7s are ~ $120k, but most of them sold are well less than $100k. The new LX will be around $100k is my guess, starting perhaps in the mid $90k range.
Thats my point, they're all around that price point, Lexus isn't going to compete in the same price range with two vehicles, they are seriously gun shy fielding an entry in price brackets that high to begin with. If they come out with such a vehicle and keep the LX it will be positioned underneath the LX. My guess is they won't do that, since selling the LX and the GX as warmed over LC variants is very cost effective for them. They're clearly not planning on creating any crossover SUVs on the GA-L platform.
The X7 is not "higher level than the LX", it starts in the 70s. Completely loaded V8 X7s are ~ $120k, but most of them sold are well less than $100k. The new LX will be around $100k is my guess, starting perhaps in the mid $90k range.
Yes but X7 is a crossover, not BOF off roader, that QUICKLY gets expensive and a little exclusive, that's what I meant. Glass switches, etc. LX won't be that fancy but definitely as nice as it is now. I want an LQ to come out at least that nice, or nicer...but that's a dream. A Maybach level LQ with the rumored (prob dead) ttV8. Won't happen most likely, but I can dream. It's POSSIBLE. Lexus COULD do it if they really wanted.
At the risk of repeating myself for the billionth time, there is NO LEXUS LQ! I absolutely loved the 2018 LF-1 Concept, but I have been hearing for months now, Toyoda (and Toyota) abandoned it in favor of FWD utilities in TX, next RX, and upcoming Lexus RZ450e EV due next year, which is what replaced it directly. This being a Lexus forum, I am rather surprised no one has picked up on the fact that this very vehicle LFZ will be what LF-1 became and keep doubling down on the fiction that is Lexus LQ. A Lexus executive at the product showcase in June 2021 in Plano, said that the public would see what became of the LF-1 By August 2022. Also hinted at it being RZ450e.
As for the LQ nameplate on a Lexus, it DOESN'T EXIST. American and European media created stupid speculation, after myself & another Lexus forum saw the trademark filing in 2018 for LQ by Toyota Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha (aka Toyota Motor Company).Well, guess what? Since they sell both Toyota and Lexus brands, it could be for anything.
In the end, the only LQ that came to fruition was this 2019 Concept at Tokyo Motor Show in October 2019. I have said this so many times, but I can tell people here won't reflect on that warning and continue down the path of stubbornly repeating the same thing. I have said this 5 times at least, that at this point it is somewhat obtuse. Keep ignoring me LOL and find out.
Toyota NEVER files trademarks for future ANY Lexus models, without the corresponding full nomenclature (i.e. "RX 500h" vs just "RX"). Anyone dismissing that, has not bothered to comb through Toyota's trademarking history for Lexus vehicles dating to 1987. Ignorance is bliss. The only exception was the TX trademark first filed in October 2009 and then abandoned later, when Toyota decided to not cancel the GX 460 in 2016 and do RX-L instead.
There are no LQ F, LQ 500, nor LQ 600 trademarks anywhere in any database. Every Lexus model due for marketing and sales, is trademarked 16 months to 30 months before launch, using the full name of the model (NX 350). Just trademarking the two-letter prefix, is not what they do. They include the model numbering on ALL trademark applications.
Simply put, there is no Lexus LQ. It doesn't exist and is now just a stupid rumor mill, like the BS Nissan "400Z" claims I dismissed for years (from insight) and was once again correct.
On another note, I am so disappointed at the other misleading insight I got out of the Middle East some 2 years ago IIRC. From what I can observe, there is hardly going to be anything remarkable about the new LX 600. It was implied that the 4th generation LX was going to be somehow be this revolutionary, bespoke offering, like "no other LX before it" and was more Bentayga like. Totally different from the Land Cruiser connection in every possible way.
Utter tripe and conflicting, contradictory BS, showing that once again most of these clowns in the dealer body or lower level regional management, have no sense of thinking beyond the abstract. After a private dealer showcase in mid-2014, many of them stupidly called the 2016 LX, "all-new" and totally redone as a "redesign".
It was nothing more than another mid-cycle refresh, with more sheetmetal changes and new interior. Attempted to make the same claim for the 2020 GX, which was only new headlight LEDs and new mesh grille (copying aftermarket).
This is nothing more than a new LX, marginally divorced more from the Land Cruiser 300 and nothing as special as many of them tried to ignorantly claim AGAIN, under the Toyota/Lexus network. Also, despite US dealer wishes, the whole Escalade ESV competitor wish is a pipe dream and not factual at all. New LX is nothing more than an evolutionary redesign on the new TNGA basis (F) for BOF vehicles and new power trains, including a powerful hybrid. Color me unimpressed after 14 years.
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I've been saying that the "LQ" has been dead for months but some people just want to believe it exists because of the same RWD TTV8 wet dreams that lead them to think that there would be an LC-F.
Motorola is dead on accurate and is what I am addressing. LCF is truly, truly dead too. The trademark filing for that was abandoned on August 24, 2020, after first being filed in 2017. The TTV8 is dead for certain, since this CUV is also not happening and became an EV. LSF never got off the ground.
Sorry Steve I was not referring to you at all. As you are pointing the obvious, that the LX won the flagship race and LF-1 didn't. Q as a suffix, doesn't fit at Lexus. Toyota boxed themselves into a corner in 1995, by using "X" to denote SUVs/crossovers. Now a quarter century later, there is only room for one flagship SUV nameplate, as "L" prefix like "S" prefix at Mercedes-Benz, refers to flagship vehicles,
If Lexus ever wanted to truly make a vehicle in the vein of LF-1, they should market it as an offshoot of the LX name plate. Remember IS C? Cabrio using IS nameplate instead of being called IC. Calling such a vehicle LX Touring (similar to Range Rover Sport), would allow for sub models of flagship SUV nameplate.
Something else of note to mention, today both the Land Cruiser 200 and LX 570 are called J200. The LX, typically is URJ200 to designate the UR V8 engine, J as Land Cruiser designation and 200 as the chassis number. The LX 600 is called VJA310 this time around, which is a different model code from the Land Cruiser 300 with V35A-FTS called VJA300..
Last edited by Carmaker1; Sep 12, 2021 at 05:55 AM.
Sorry Steve I was not referring to you at all. As you are pointing the obvious, that the LX won the flagship race and LF-1 didn't. Q as a suffix, doesn't fit at Lexus. Toyota boxed themselves into a corner in 1995, by using "X" to denote SUVs/crossovers. Now a quarter century later, there is only room for one flagship SUV nameplate, as "L" prefix like "S" prefix at Mercedes-Benz, refers to flagship vehicles,
The naming of Lexus LQ to me just signified a higher crossover Lexus with rwd. Whatever it is called makes no difference to me…maybe Lexus will just call it the LF
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