Tesla Model S Plaid
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The lack of a full redo is again Elon's ego. He has said that Teslas will not be traditionally restyled according to a schedule as the rest of the industry does, just tweaked over time. He thinks he designed the most perfect beautiful car and sees no reason to redesign it.
Thats what frustrates me about him, he designs stuff the way he wants it not necessarily the way his consumers want it. Hence, yoke steering, no gear selector and the same old Model S forever.
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I think they have a legitimate beyotch though.
I look at it like the LS460. The changes made here are not dissimilar to the changes made to the LS460 in 2013, but everybody agrees that wasn't enough to stay competitive and that they needed an all new car. There is a lot of high end EV sedan competition coming, and I do agree that this refresh Model S looks very dated in comparison. Should have been an all new body.
The lack of a full redo is again Elon's ego. He has said that Teslas will not be traditionally restyled according to a schedule as the rest of the industry does, he thinks he designed the most perfect beautiful car and sees no reason to redesign it.
I look at it like the LS460. The changes made here are not dissimilar to the changes made to the LS460 in 2013, but everybody agrees that wasn't enough to stay competitive and that they needed an all new car. There is a lot of high end EV sedan competition coming, and I do agree that this refresh Model S looks very dated in comparison. Should have been an all new body.
The lack of a full redo is again Elon's ego. He has said that Teslas will not be traditionally restyled according to a schedule as the rest of the industry does, he thinks he designed the most perfect beautiful car and sees no reason to redesign it.
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I think they have a legitimate beyotch though.
I look at it like the LS460. The changes made here are not dissimilar to the changes made to the LS460 in 2013, but everybody agrees that wasn't enough to stay competitive and that they needed an all new car. There is a lot of high end EV sedan competition coming, and I do agree that this refresh Model S looks very dated in comparison. Should have been an all new body.
The lack of a full redo is again Elon's ego. He has said that Teslas will not be traditionally restyled according to a schedule as the rest of the industry does, he thinks he designed the most perfect beautiful car and sees no reason to redesign it.
I look at it like the LS460. The changes made here are not dissimilar to the changes made to the LS460 in 2013, but everybody agrees that wasn't enough to stay competitive and that they needed an all new car. There is a lot of high end EV sedan competition coming, and I do agree that this refresh Model S looks very dated in comparison. Should have been an all new body.
The lack of a full redo is again Elon's ego. He has said that Teslas will not be traditionally restyled according to a schedule as the rest of the industry does, he thinks he designed the most perfect beautiful car and sees no reason to redesign it.
I would like a full exterior redesign as well, but when the car can pull a drag coefficient of .208 without looking like an egg a-la the EQS, then it's difficult to see if a new body shell would be an actual improvement.
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The difference here though is that unlike the LS, the Model S's mechanicals have been updated numerous times since it was introduced in 2012. There's few components that are the same from the latest model to the 2012 model, aside from the body shell. The LS was fundamentally the same car in 2017 as it was in 2008, in nearly every aspect.
If I had a Model S for 5 years this wouldnt be enough of a change for me. Hell if you got it in the same color nobody would know you got a new car.
I would like a full exterior redesign as well, but when the car can pull a drag coefficient of .208 without looking like an egg a-la the EQS, then it's difficult to see if a new body shell would be an actual improvement.
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Tesla S sales have fallen because production was halted, FFS that has to be one of the most disingenuous arguments ever saying sales went down. Ya think? Can't sell what you don't make. And hilarious to compare to a company that has mass produced zero vehicles.
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Of the Model S, certainly. Model S and Y sales are WAY WAY down. You will see once the 3 and Y have been out this long and also haven't been updated that their sales will fall off too. Consumers want new fresh designs, and competitors are going to offer them.
My issue is not with the styling itself but with the refusal to redesign a car after 10 years. It needs a new body.
Not everything the auto industry does is wrong lol, thats your Elon-worship talking. Consumers want fresh stuff. Thats why they redesign phones, computers, etc. Its not just cars.
My issue is not with the styling itself but with the refusal to redesign a car after 10 years. It needs a new body.
Seems to be working out fairly well. No idea why you would want Tesla to follow the rest of the auto industry.
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You can also make the argument that production was halted because there was no demand.
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Too bad they didn't for the wider fenders, that would probably be enough to placate some of those who want to complain. I personally have no issues with the Model S, its the best looking Tesla by far IMO. Classically good looking proportions, just needs to have some of the details updated to look more modern. For example, an update to the taillamp design would probably go a long way.
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So in 2030 people are still going to have interest in the same body Model S with under the skin improvements? How about 2040? Elon thinks so. He's also completely wrong.
Styling and aesthetics change, the Model S is a beautiful car but the proof is in the reactions of their own consumers which Hameed shared with us above...they're not happy and want a new bodystyle.
Styling and aesthetics change, the Model S is a beautiful car but the proof is in the reactions of their own consumers which Hameed shared with us above...they're not happy and want a new bodystyle.
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Styling and aesthetics change, the Model S is a beautiful car but the proof is in the reactions of their own consumers which Hameed shared with us above...they're not happy and want a new bodystyle.
Here are Model S sales to current.
2015 18,645
2016 24,000
2017 26,800
2018 29,950
2019 14,425
2020 20,301
2021 4,156
If you want to talk about sales that have fallen off a cliff see the Lexus LS. But wait, they keep changing the styling that's what consumers want.
Like the 911, like the Wrangler, the Model S is an icon in the automotive industry. I suspect they will keep pushing it through evolutionary design not revolutionary when remodels are due. Personally I have no problem with this
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What about 2070? Think the S will still sell with exactly the same body style?
That's proof to you? Okay.
Here are Model S sales to current.
2015 18,645
2016 24,000
2017 26,800
2018 29,950
2019 14,425
2020 20,301
2021 4,156
If you want to talk about sales that have fallen off a cliff see the Lexus LS. But wait, they keep changing the styling that's what consumers want.
That's proof to you? Okay.
Here are Model S sales to current.
2015 18,645
2016 24,000
2017 26,800
2018 29,950
2019 14,425
2020 20,301
2021 4,156
If you want to talk about sales that have fallen off a cliff see the Lexus LS. But wait, they keep changing the styling that's what consumers want.
