EV rationalization
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I wouldn't mind having an electric. I suspect whatever I replace my GS with, probably 8 or so years down the road, may be electric. I've had it for about 6 months now and it only has 600 miles on it, so clearly a range of 200-300 miles would be no issue for me. I'd just still want to have our road trip vehicle to be gas so it's quicker to top up on the go. A PHEV would do very well for us in that role.
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To me too, it has to be something I enjoy driving. I don't like the way hybrids in general feel or sound, so a hybrid never appeals to me. A Tesla though is great fun to drive, and a Telsa with more luxurious design and a more refined and insulated interior would be great.
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I don't agree with that classification of the term, and I also don't agree that we wont have cars that can drive themselves in all situations in our lifetime. We already have experimental cars that can (for example, Waymo cars). The first level III autonomous production car was just released also. Level III autonomous means that the driver can fully disengage and not pay attention to what the car is doing under some circumstances. The technology is moving forward. We can't imagine how far this tech will progress in the next 15 years.
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I don't agree with that classification of the term, and I also don't agree that we wont have cars that can drive themselves in all situations in our lifetime. We already have experimental cars that can (for example, Waymo cars). The first level III autonomous production car was just released also. Level III autonomous means that the driver can fully disengage and not pay attention to what the car is doing under some circumstances. The technology is moving forward. We can't imagine how far this tech will progress in the next 15 years.
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And I don't agree with molesting terms until they don't mean what they are supposed to mean - like the $10k "full self driving" option that Tesla offers, which is an utter crock of bs. Self driving should not need any disclaimers or special accommodations. If you and I and this forum are still around in 15 years, I'll remember to tease you about whatever car you may be driving then still having a steering wheel.
Just because it has a steering wheel doesn't mean it wont be able to drive on its own. I don't want a car I can't choose to drive if I want to.
Issue is, again, you are taking your own definition of what something should mean to you and telegraphing that onto the industry and others. To me this is a question of degrees.
Just because it has a steering wheel doesn't mean it wont be able to drive on its own. I don't want a car I can't choose to drive if I want to.
Just because it has a steering wheel doesn't mean it wont be able to drive on its own. I don't want a car I can't choose to drive if I want to.
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Well if you're going to take a straight forward term, and apply a bunch of convoluted degrees and conditions, it becomes a meaningless figurative term. I am very clear in my statement that we will not see truly self driving cars in our lifetimes, that are effectively able to drive themselves under in all traffic and weather conditions without any human input. It just wont happen, not in our lifetimes, and not ever.
^ LOL, that being said, back to EVs. I am looking forward to potentially owning an electric M5 or X5M, if the rumors are true. I just hope BMW don't try to copy Tesla, and keep conventional interiors in their electric M cars.
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Thats your definition of achieving self driving cars, that isnt my definition, nor is it the industry's. But...you shoiuld do some research into Waymo. What you describe is out there today in an experimental unit.
