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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 12:10 PM
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I don't know why but I really like this mini truck. I want to justify buying one to replace my Jeep but I would want a hybrid AWD but that doesn't exist yet.

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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pbm317
Significantly larger than the Santa Cruz?? How so? It's just 4 inches longer. They both only come in one body configuration. For all intents and purposes they're the same size, but the Maverick starts at a much lower price.

The Maverick, because of its styling, roofline, two-box design, and space-efficiency, gives it the appearance and suggestion of a larger vehicle. The Santa Cruz, IMO, compromises too much in its styling and design. I strongly suspect (but can't prove) that is one thing that is driving the Maverick's sales.....plus the availability of a Hybrid version.
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Perception. Maverick looks huge compared to the Santa Cruz. Maverick looks better packaged as well for use.
The Maverick looks like a truck, the Santa Cruz looks like a crossover with a bed. Thats the reason why.
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Perception. Maverick looks huge compared to the Santa Cruz. Maverick looks better packaged as well for use.
Ok but "thinking" the Mav is "significantly" bigger does not actually make it so.

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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The Maverick, because of its styling, roofline, two-box design, and space-efficiency, gives it the appearance and suggestion of a larger vehicle. The Santa Cruz, IMO, compromises too much in its styling and design. I strongly suspect (but can't prove) that is one thing that is driving the Maverick's sales.....plus the availability of a Hybrid version.
What does the Santa Cruz compromise by its styling and design?
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Ok but "thinking" the Mav is "significantly" bigger does not actually make it so.

It is, in fact, about four inches longer.....much of that in the bed length.

What does the Santa Cruz compromise by its styling and design?
From what I can tell, visibility (smaller windows), bed length, and rear seat headroom. Also, Steve's point about the Maverick looking far more like a truck.

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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
It is, in fact, about four inches longer.....much of that in the bed length.
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The Maverick is also 2-inches taller as well
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 02:56 PM
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I'll add something else that I don't think anyone else in the thread has. Because the Maverick is not truck-based, it might (?) pass as a four-door, 21st-Century version of the old Ford Ranchero, which goes back to 1957, and ran until the 1970s.



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Thanks MM. I never knew of such a Buick pick up. Is that body on frame?
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Thanks MM. I never knew of such a Buick pick up. Is that body on frame?
Yes. It uses a perimeter-frame, but not with the typical cross-beams. The cross-bracing is an "X" design. Here is one undergoing restoration.




Later GM cars, in the 50s and early 60s, used an "X" design without the perimeter frame.

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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The Maverick is also 2-inches taller as well
A lot that is in the roofline....Ford didn't try and rake the styling.
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The Maverick, because of its styling, roofline, two-box design, and space-efficiency, gives it the appearance and suggestion of a larger vehicle. The Santa Cruz, IMO, compromises too much in its styling and design. I strongly suspect (but can't prove) that is one thing that is driving the Maverick's sales.....plus the availability of a Hybrid version.
The Maverick can be total garbage like the new Explorer and it would still outsell the Santa Cruz just like the Explorer outsells the Palisade. Hyundai alone just doesn't have the same production numbers when it comes to crossovers as Ford.
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes. It uses a perimeter-frame, but not with the typical cross-beams. The cross-bracing is an "X" design. Here is one undergoing restoration.




Later GM cars, in the 50s and early 60s, used an "X" design without the perimeter frame.

Wow. I never knew those types of frames existed.
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411

Supplier employee claims a four-door cab and 'fairly small bed'






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Are those cameras on top of that vehicle?
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
The Maverick can be total garbage like the new Explorer and it would still outsell the Santa Cruz just like the Explorer outsells the Palisade.
To be fair, I mentioned earlier that I thought the Hyundai seemed more solidly assembled, had better fit/finish, comes with a much longer warranty, and will likely be more reliable (if the engines don't catch fire LOL). That is likely one reason why it also costs more than the Maverick to start.....stripped Mavericks theoretically start at 20K, but good luck finding one. And the Maverick, like other smaller Ford crossovers, suffers from some indifference in its trim quality, paint-gloss, and interior hardware. But, any way you look at it, it is simply more of a truck, period....even lacking a truck-type ladder-frame. The Santa Cruz is more of a successor to the Subaru Baja of the early/mid 2000s.
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