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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 09:08 AM
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So now we have reports that a twin-turbo flat-plane crank is possible, but we're talking about the ZR1 not the Z06. The Z06 will be all motor rather than FI.

Stingray - 495hp
Z06 - 600hp estimated
ZR1 - 800hp estimated
Zora hybrid/AWD - 1000hp estimated
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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 11:35 AM
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Default Here’s How 2020 Corvette C8 Shoppers Are Strategizing to Avoid Dealer Markups

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Corvette enthusiasts are already coming together to try to avoid dealer markups for the new mid-engined 2020 Chevy Corvette C8. A group of users on CorvetteForum.com have begun compiling a list of all Chevrolet dealers that either have or have not publicly committed to sell the 2020 Corvette at the manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP).

Started by user tcinla, the list includes 56 high-volume Corvette dealerships across the country that are ranked by the number of C7 Corvettes they have sold to date. Dealerships marked "YES" have promised to sell their allocation of C8 Corvettes at MSRP, while dealerships marked "NO" or "?" have not made this commitment and may be prone to markups. The list also includes a number of lower-volume Corvette dealerships, some of which have committed to selling the C8 at MSRP and some of which have not.

For many prospective C8 buyers, it’s important that dealers stick to the MSRP, especially given the remarkable starting price of $59,995 that's only a few thousand dollars higher than the C7 Corvette. Pre-orders are currently open on Chevrolet's website, and prospective buyers must initially select a dealer before submitting their request to be added to a list of orders for that specific dealership.

Dealer markups have plagued other highly anticipated new models recently. We reported earlier this year about dealerships selling the new 2020 Jeep Gladiator pickup for up to $20,000 over MSRP, and certain Honda dealerships were trying to sell the Civic Type R hot hatch for around $15,000 over MSRP in 2017.
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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 12:13 PM
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That's good that this group is trying to stop dealer mark up. But at the end of the day, if someone is willing to pay more for a car than the MSRP, then so be it. A good reputable dealer should stick to MSRP, but if someone wants to pay more, then so be it. I can't think of anyone that truly needs a C8 Corvette, these are want type vehicles.
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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
So now we have reports that a twin-turbo flat-plane crank is possible, but we're talking about the ZR1 not the Z06. The Z06 will be all motor rather than FI.

Stingray - 495hp
Z06 - 600hp estimated
ZR1 - 800hp estimated
Zora hybrid/AWD - 1000hp estimated
The current C7 Z06 makes 650HP!!!!!
There is ZERO chance that C8 will make less lol.

The MT article I posted has the best and most accurate info supported by forum insiders.
The new Z06 will have DOHC V8 twin turbo with flat-plane crank.
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The current C7 Z06 makes 650HP!!!!!
There is ZERO chance that C8 will make less lol.

The MT article I posted has the best and most accurate info supported by forum insiders.
The new Z06 will have DOHC V8 twin turbo with flat-plane crank.
If they go NA route on the Z06 then there is a chance they give the 6.2L LT2 more displacement say to 7.0L like past LS7 C6 Z06. ZR1 will be FI TT no doubt

However, the engine is going to be more true-to-formula than before. Die-hard Corvette enthusiasts weren’t too thrilled with the C7 Z06 featured a supercharger, so for the next go-round, the Z06 will once again be naturally aspirated. Output will likely be around 600 horsepower, well below the C8 ZR1
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This would only be viable if the GrandSport model didn’t exist.
There is not enough HP difference between 495 to 600 to justify Z06 compared to the GrandSport model.
Also Everything about the C8 has been about modern tech and taking it up a few notches. A large NA V8 would be going backwards for Z06.
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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 05:57 PM
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I would be fine with the base small-block. Long live the GM pushrod V8.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
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This would only be viable if the GrandSport model didn’t exist.
There is not enough HP difference between 495 to 600 to justify Z06 compared to the GrandSport model.
Also Everything about the C8 has been about modern tech and taking it up a few notches. A large NA V8 would be going backwards for Z06.
I don't believe there is currently a GrandSport model for the C8.
LT2 is a modern engine. Enlarging displacement doesn't make it any less modern, it's still a small block.
Z06/ZR1 are still years away so at this point both of us are speculating. I'd just agree to disagree for now until the real thing comes to fruition
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notice how much a DCT weighs in this one 344#, for reference a C7 7 speed manual weighs 144#. DCT weight is closer than youd expect to the actual weight of the engine.
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 09:10 AM
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Default More details from Corvette Forum that the Z06 will be NA 5.5 flat-plane

And with this latest bit of rumor courtesy of, yet again, Corvette Forum, we've tiptoed so far away from hard intel that we're posting on numbers that came from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy. Nevertheless, it's possible there's something to it, so here goes. Forum member StevenStarke got screenshots of an Excel spreadsheet with details on the three engines going into the C8 Corvette and their four outputs. At bottom is the 6.2-liter V8 we already know about. Above that is a naturally aspirated 5.5-liter V8 with 600 horsepower and 620 pound-feet of torque. Next up, a 5.5-liter twin-turbo V8 with 850 hp and 722 lb-ft. And at the peak, that 5.5-liter TT V8 with electric assistance, rocking 850 hp and 922 lb-ft.

Taking a high-level view, the numbers could have some connection to reality. We just posted on a rumor back-and-forth about the coming Z06 and ZR1 power plants. An initial report in Automobile said a twin-turbo V8 with around 800 hp would slot into the Z06, a follow-up report from Muscle Cars & Trucks rebutted that, saying the Z06 would get an atmospheric V8 and the TT V8 could go in the ZR1 and/or a model called the Zora. This Excel spreadsheet lists an atmospheric 5.5-liter, 32-valve V8 called the LT6, which we'd peg as the motor MCT was referring to. In our earlier post, when we wondered where Chevy would get an NA 5.5-liter V8, we forgot that it already had one running in the C7.R race car. We don't know yet what will power the C8.R, but it sounds like it could have a flat-plane crank. Add those two together, and the betting money lays short odds on the NA V8 putting its 600 hp behind the C8 Z06, long odds on that engine powering the C8 Grand Sport.

That leaves the C8 ZR1 free to enjoy the non-hybrid 5.5-liter twin-turbo with 850 hp and 750 lb-ft, and a supreme version perhaps called Zora to get the hybridized 5.5-liter TT V8 with 850 hp and 922 lb-ft.

This scheme lines up with a remarkably prescient article in Car and Driver from way back in May 2018. The mag predicted "a naturally aspirated 5.5-liter DOHC V-8 with a flat-plane crankshaft capable of a Ferrari 458-like maximum engine speed of 9,000 rpm" that would be "good for at least 600 horsepower" and be the next to launch after the base LT2. After that, a 5.5-liter V8 that "will make about 800 owner-maiming horsepower." C/D said "this will be the fastest version around the Nürburgring Nordschleife." Finally, a couple of years later, "Chevy would add a 200-hp electric motor" up front and a brace of cooling addenda.


https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/29/...engine-rumors/
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 09:25 AM
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I don't understand how--with the engine remaining the same--you layer in a hybrid system based on a 200hp electric motor, which adds 172 lbft of torque and zero hp.

Otherwise sounds somewhat logical.
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probably adds power in an area where it doesnt exceed the peak hp rating, like low to mid range of the torque curve. RPM for the 5.5 liter doesnt even make sense, only 5000 rpm?

5.5 DOHC sounds like a downgrade to me, why go down in engine displacement. Imagine if it was a 7.0 DOHC, return of the 427. IMO base should be the 6.2 SOHC, Z06 7.0 DOHC, and Zora the flat plane crank 5.5 hybrid

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Am I reading 850 hp?
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Am I reading 850 hp?
Yep......with 922 ft-lbs.of torque. But, remember, that is a hybrid system, with the total power figure coming from both sources.
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