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Thanks for those pictures! As a owner of a 18 Lexus IS, I know the hump in the back seats is horrible. I never realized it was the worst hump within the class because I checked out the 2018 C-Class before buying my IS and I thought the C-Class hump was just as bad. I thought the 3 Series hump was a bit better though.

I never knew the Acura TLX SH-AWD hump was that small either. Question: Could it be that the Acura and Lexus engines are just built differently? It looks like the Lexus drive-shaft, when connected to the rear of the transmission, is higher up - almost like its tilted. Versus - the Acura TLX - it looks straight. Could it mean - the Acura TLX transmission is lower down?
Because when I sat in the Lexus LS500, the Lexus LS rear seat hump is just as bad as the Lexus IS.
(My mechanical expertise is like noob-level so apologizes in advance if that doesn't make any sense. Lol)

Agreed. The Lexus ES will never take the place of the GS to compete with the 5 Series or E-Class. The 5 and E Class will eat the ES alive.

Like oldcajun said previously, and I agree with him, the 7G Lexus ES might draw a few new consumers but it will most likely stick to the current base of Lexus ES drivers and Camry/Avalon drivers looking to upgrade.

There isn't any doubt that the Lexus ES's new platform can offer AWD, if Lexus makes it happen. The platform definitely 100% capable of that.

I think the doubt comes from - can they do it without changing the hump size and will they do it? From the business side of things - I don't think it'll be reasonable for them to offer it. The car is a great car and damn beautiful the way it is, what its made to be, a Lexus ES. The Lexus ES has sold on average 50K to 60K yearly without AWD. Lexus could possibly just never offer AWD because they won't see the need to with strong sales. The addition of the F-Sport is just pretty much Lexus's new line up design - which is putting F-Sport on every model.

I can see what you mean by liking the Ultra Luxury Pack. If I were to buy the ES, I believe the Ultra Luxury Pack is the way to go. The F-Sport ES would just be meh compared to the UL. The UL seems to have more value.

But I definitely - Lexus totally goofed when they didn't add power folding mirrors, heated rear seats, AVS and etc...

The Lexus ES hump isn't huge. Its pretty modest.

Well - a hump in the rear seat is not good evidence that there will be AWD. Off the top of my head - I remember the 3G TL never offered a AWD system. But yet - it had a pretty modest size hump in the back seats.

The other reason it has a 7G ES hump in the rear seats is - the Avalon/Camry has a hump in the rear seats. Looks like the same size hump too.

 

 

What are you talking about? The hump in the '19 ES is small, especially when compared to those in the IS and the GS if you looked at the pictures I posted.

And as I stressed in my previous post already (please do read my post), the reason for a hump in the ES, as well as many FWD-only sedans from other automakers, is to accommodate the exhaust pipes. The ES/Camry/Avalon used to get away with not having a hump because Toyota/Lexus chose to prioritize interior room over aerodynamics and ground clearance by letting the exhaust pipes hang below the chassis (really ugly when looked at from behind BTW). Now they're just doing what the other automakers have been doing all along to most FWD-only sedans by tucking the exhaust pipes in a hump.

 

Last point is very true. Other car companies have been having humps for their FWD cars for a long time now. My high-school friend's TSX has a hump and never once had AWD.

 

Go ahead, shoot.

 

CURRY SHOOTS FOR THE 3. WARRIORS WIN. SWEEP.

 

 

yeah buddy

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Infuriating isn't it?

 

It's inevitable might as well get it over with....GS has too much.

 

Its gonna be lit in the Bay Area tonight. Lol. Hopefully people don't get ratchet and trash the city. Seriously - its so stupid to.

Seriously?? The Corolla iM has standard power folding mirrors? The hell? I didn't know that.

Why does the Corolla iM have it but IS, ES, and etc... don't? Makes no sense, really.

 

Corolla iM was to be a Scion, wasn't it? anyway, it has only one option (nav) besides stick or cvt, so i guess they decided to throw in whatever they needed to make it and market it worldwide.

whereas the ES is built in the US primarily for the US market, and i guess they figure americans don't need or care much about folding mirrors maybe because most parking lots aren't as cramped as european ones, i dunno.

i LOVE having automatic power folding mirrors. when i lock the door (or just walk away) the mirrors fold in. as i walk up, they fold out. so nice...

 

 

Yes, in North America, it WAS a Scion, before that division folded. It was essentially the sport-oriented Corolla hatchback/wagon that Toyota itself didn't offer in the U.S. market....now they do.

A few cars (and I think the Camaro is one of them) still persist with rigidly-mounted mirror-housings that not only don't auto-fold but don't even swivel back and forth manually. Although the excuse from the automakers is that the flush-mounting, with no cracks or gaps, cuts down on wind noise (which is possible, but questionable). But the obvious reason, as with so much else in auto-production, is money....it is cheaper and simpler to produce.

Not quite the same thing, but one of the very few things I miss on my Lacrosse-Preferred-Trim model is the automatic tilt-down side-mirrors when you put the car in reverse, to help you see parking-stripes better when backing up....I'm constantly flicking the selector-switch back and forth and doing it manually. The back-up camera helps, but it is not quite the same thing. The more expensive Lacrosse Essence, Premium, and Avenir versions do have have that automatic reverse tilt-down available, but they also have a lot (too much) of other standard stuff that I didn't want. I'm not really complaining...that's one of the decisions you have to make when you buy (or order) a car. I assume that your G90 has it.....can't imagine a car in that class without it.

 

Yup. The Corolla iM started its life as a Scion iM. It only became the Corolla iM after Toyota canceled the Scion brand. And, I believe in 2019, the Corolla iM will be officially be called the Corolla Hatchback.

Good point. It could very much be that. The average American parking spot and roads are definitely not as cramped as Europe or Asia.
I watched a 7G ES review and the host said a Lexus Rep. claimed they have done research that the average Americans doesn't want or use heated rear seats. So in turn, they didn't add on to the 7ES.
Because of the way the Japanese package their vehicles, it make sense they would do intensive research to sell towards the specific demographic - I guess.

Oh. Definitely. The folding mirrors adds a nice/cool expensive feel to the car. It just looks cool and expensive when you lock and walk away as the mirrors fold.