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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 09:03 AM
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Right now in L.A., the ES is leasing for $339/mo with 4k down. When the new one arrives this Fall, you can bet the monthly will jump about $75/100. I'd estimate it will take about one year before it drops back down to lower levels when hype calms down. Then we have a slowly climbing interest rate, which could keep things on the higher side. The best ES deals were two years ago when most dealers were advertising $299/mo with $3k down. That was a steal.
Thinking back to past Lexus ES and IS releases, where there ever really any shortages of cars? I do not recall a time, other than just the normal "gotta have the new model" thing for about a year after initial release. Lexus seems to always supply it's dealers with a good amount of bread and butter sedans. *Discuss*
You are very correct about this. Lexus ES deals will likely to be very appealing once the 2nd model year rolls around. Its pretty much true for any car.

I think with the SUV craze going on in the States, the inventory of of sedans, such as the ES/IS, will be in good stock no matter what. (Unless you are talking about extremely rare colors). I have this weird feeling majority of the new ES will be stocked in White. Lexus seems to like to push the color white as their bread and butter color almost. Well - it feels like that in my area anyways. Majority of the Lexus vehicles at my local dealer is mainly white and my dealer is a high inventory dealer.
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 09:33 AM
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Right now in L.A., the ES is leasing for $339/mo with 4k down. When the new one arrives this Fall, you can bet the monthly will jump about $75/100.
Try $200 more a month
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 02:10 PM
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Try $200 more a month
I've never seen any ES lease for that much. Maybe it's regional. We've always had them base in the $300-450 range, even when a new body debuts.
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 02:14 PM
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You are very correct about this. Lexus ES deals will likely to be very appealing once the 2nd model year rolls around. Its pretty much true for any car.

I think with the SUV craze going on in the States, the inventory of of sedans, such as the ES/IS, will be in good stock no matter what. (Unless you are talking about extremely rare colors). I have this weird feeling majority of the new ES will be stocked in White. Lexus seems to like to push the color white as their bread and butter color almost. Well - it feels like that in my area anyways. Majority of the Lexus vehicles at my local dealer is mainly white and my dealer is a high inventory dealer.
You are right about white being one of the most common colors. Gray and black will be the others, with silver somewhere in the middle. The rest are all kind of the oddball ones. This pretty much mimics the color preference across the board in this segment.
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 03:07 PM
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I've never seen any ES lease for that much. Maybe it's regional. We've always had them base in the $300-450 range, even when a new body debuts.
My 2010 ES lease payment was $615. When the 13s came out and they were brand new it was over $700.

Renember that those lease deals you see advertised are really low miles, 7,500 or 10k, and they have big downpayments ($4,000), they are very low option cars and you still have to pay the taxes and tags (here another $3k or so).

So to do a no down payment lease with reasonable miles and roll the taxes in, gonna be a lot more than those prices.
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 03:48 PM
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My 2010 ES lease payment was $615. When the 13s came out and they were brand new it was over $700.

Renember that those lease deals you see advertised are really low miles, 7,500 or 10k, and they have big downpayments ($4,000), they are very low option cars and you still have to pay the taxes and tags (here another $3k or so).

So to do a no down payment lease with reasonable miles and roll the taxes in, gonna be a lot more than those prices.
If there is no down payment and one starts adding many options and extra miles, yes... things can start ballooning. From what I researched for SoCal, most are putting $2-4k down in this segment. The base ES lease car here in CA has some basic options, but no nav. Miles have been 10k/yr for quite a while. Average take rate for miles is 10-12k/yr. Many dealers will forgive some over-mileage if customer sticks with the dealership for next transaction.

I don't think Lexus's current ES lease is that far out of reach for the average customer. And with stiff in-house competition and a little negotiating, one can knock those numbers down even further. The regional program is what Lexus is suggesting dealers go by, but they are free to compete with each other to gain more sales. Adding nav would maybe increase the monthly payment $30-50/mo. and then one could have a pleasantly equipped luxury sedan.

For reference, the regional lease program for my IS in 2008 was $299/mo. with $3k down. I emailed around for the color and extra options I wanted and settled with the $299/down plus tax, and a straight $3k down with no added tax or fees on a $2k more expensive car. Having a dozen Lexus dealerships near where you live has it's benefits.
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 05:33 PM
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All putting money down on a lease does is prepay lease payments, makes no sense. If you have to put money down to afford the payment then you need to lease a cheaper car.

I know the nimbers on these cars backwards and forwards...
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
You are right about white being one of the most common colors. Gray and black will be the others, with silver somewhere in the middle. The rest are all kind of the oddball ones. This pretty much mimics the color preference across the board in this segment.
Definitely true. I have noticed that as well. My local NorCal (Bay Area) dealers stock mostly white with gray and black following. I think I noticed gray more than black.

The blue and red color is definitely an odd ball for me. Never seen one in person or at dealers yet.

Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
If there is no down payment and one starts adding many options and extra miles, yes... things can start ballooning. From what I researched for SoCal, most are putting $2-4k down in this segment. The base ES lease car here in CA has some basic options, but no nav. Miles have been 10k/yr for quite a while. Average take rate for miles is 10-12k/yr. Many dealers will forgive some over-mileage if customer sticks with the dealership for next transaction.

I don't think Lexus's current ES lease is that far out of reach for the average customer. And with stiff in-house competition and a little negotiating, one can knock those numbers down even further. The regional program is what Lexus is suggesting dealers go by, but they are free to compete with each other to gain more sales. Adding nav would maybe increase the monthly payment $30-50/mo. and then one could have a pleasantly equipped luxury sedan.

For reference, the regional lease program for my IS in 2008 was $299/mo. with $3k down. I emailed around for the color and extra options I wanted and settled with the $299/down plus tax, and a straight $3k down with no added tax or fees on a $2k more expensive car. Having a dozen Lexus dealerships near where you live has it's benefits.
Excuse my ignorance with leases. I never really understood it fully.
I have always just bought and resold cars.

So if a customers wants to lease a 2019 Lexus ES with Ultra Luxury Pack, that would be possible right? They just have to find the car first? Would then that said lease be more expensive than the deals they are advertising?
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Old Jun 16, 2018 | 12:42 AM
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Definitely true. I have noticed that as well. My local NorCal (Bay Area) dealers stock mostly white with gray and black following. I think I noticed gray more than black.

The blue and red color is definitely an odd ball for me. Never seen one in person or at dealers yet.



Excuse my ignorance with leases. I never really understood it fully.
I have always just bought and resold cars.

So if a customers wants to lease a 2019 Lexus ES with Ultra Luxury Pack, that would be possible right? They just have to find the car first? Would then that said lease be more expensive than the deals they are advertising?
The lease deals that are advertised are for base cars or cars with only minor options. You will not see any advertised prices for one with the UL pack. And yes, the UL pack would bump up the price considerably. It should take a good 6-12 months for the bargains to start after the new model debuts.
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Old Jun 16, 2018 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
All putting money down on a lease does is prepay lease payments, makes no sense. If you have to put money down to afford the payment then you need to lease a cheaper car.


Not necessarily. A friend of mine (I've mentioned him before) leases a new ES350 at Pohanka every 27 months.....that's their standard lease-term. They actually give him a discount to pay it all off up front (he told me what the discount was last time, but I don't remember the exact figure). That way, the deal is all taken care of, he doesn't have to bother with monthly payments (even though he is fairly well-heeled and can easily afford them), and, though the car is not legally his on a lease, he has insurance to cover it if it is significantly damaged or totaled. Typically, he just takes the car back every couple of years, hands them the fobs, picks out another new ES, signs the papers, and Bingo.
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Old Jun 16, 2018 | 07:08 AM
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The ES is a very appealing car to many. We went to an older brother of a wife's bff last weekend. The house was a pseudo mansion, and when the garage door went up, what was inside? A Lexus ES (late model), and two old Toyota pickups. I remember a couple of years ago a friend was getting a divorce and was fire sale'ing her S550, so we asked him and right away he said he doesn't like to spend much on repairs. At the time he had an old Volvo S80 (like 16 y.o.).

I'll be the first to admit, I was able to leave that show at Citi Field thinking the new ES was an LS (the one my wife and son got a demo of the sound system), so it must bear a striking resemblance to the new LS, or, I'm an idiot. maybe both are true lol
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Old Jun 16, 2018 | 07:14 AM
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Not necessarily. A friend of mine (I've mentioned him before) leases a new ES350 at Pohanka every 27 months.....that's their standard lease-term. They actually give him a discount to pay it all off up front (he told me what the discount was last time, but I don't remember the exact figure). That way, the deal is all taken care of, he doesn't have to bother with monthly payments (even though he is fairly well-heeled and can easily afford them), and, though the car is not legally his on a lease, he has insurance to cover it if it is significantly damaged or totaled. Typically, he just takes the car back every couple of years, hands them the fobs, picks out another new ES, signs the papers, and Bingo.
imho it depends on disposable income and assumptions. If a person says, "I like new cars and would never consider driving one more than 35.99999 mos. old," that's a difficult assumption to work with. To exaggerate it, it would be like saying, I like moving from a newly constructed house every 10 years, no exceptions. I would say without all the assumptions laid out, there is a likelihood it makes sense to rent. So there are cases it makes sense to rent a car as well, as opposed to buy.

haha is that in Chantilly, we were there last weekend and went to the Air and Space both in DC and VA. Dunno why in that entire area, I see to like MD along the 270 side.

I once dealt with a vendor in Manassas--so for the secuirty questions, it would say, What is your favorite vacation place? Manassas Who is your favorite actor? Robert Manassas What is your favorite sports team? Manassas Capitals. We passed through that place too and it looked tired.
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Old Jun 16, 2018 | 07:21 AM
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haha is that in Chantilly, we were there last weekend and went to the Air and Space both in DC and VA. Dunno why in that entire area, I see to like MD along the 270 side.
Yes, that's the Chantilly dealership....one of only two in the Northern Virginia D.C. suburbs. The other one is Lindsay Lexus in Alexandria. Maryland also has a couple on their side of the river.....Lexus of Rockville and Lexus of Silver Spring.

How did you like the museum? I was once a volunteer worker and Tour Guide at the D.C. branch on weekends, and was a licensed pilot and Ground Instructor (my regular job was with the FAA).
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Both are awesome, we seem to like VA better. But, we found $5/day garage parking (1300 D SW) near the Mall, using parkwhiz, so that wasn't a problem. The Hazy Museum is $15, but that's ok too as it's so laid back and we just think of it as an admission charge.

My hats are off to the volunteers, what a great way to be involved with what you're interested in, and share your passion with visitors? People are clearly "into it."

The ES has gotten me more curious, I've always thought of it as a rebadged Camry (people here have corrected me on that lol)....
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Not necessarily. A friend of mine (I've mentioned him before) leases a new ES350 at Pohanka every 27 months.....that's their standard lease-term. They actually give him a discount to pay it all off up front (he told me what the discount was last time, but I don't remember the exact figure). That way, the deal is all taken care of, he doesn't have to bother with monthly payments (even though he is fairly well-heeled and can easily afford them), and, though the car is not legally his on a lease, he has insurance to cover it if it is significantly damaged or totaled. Typically, he just takes the car back every couple of years, hands them the fobs, picks out another new ES, signs the papers, and Bingo.
Thats different, thats a one pay lease not putting a downpayment on a monthly pay lease. I wouldn't do a one pay lease either since the discount isn't worth tying the capital up.

Nobody recommends putting a downpayment on a monthly pay lease, do some reading. Lets put it this way, if you rented an apartment would you give them a big downpayment to make the monthly rent less? No.
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