2019 Toyota Supra
A $1000 for 100HP isn't a bad deal to me compared to any of the other NA cars you listed. Remember this is a boosted factory motor and not a NA V8. Boosted factory motors respond to mods very well, something as simple as a downpipe has immediate results.
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Your posts make sound like a hater without understanding the target market nor the competition for this Supra. This is NOT intended to be a high volume car, its a niche sports car with 2 seats. Lets see the final specs and finished product.
I personally think the BRZ and GT86 have sold pretty well worldwide, have strong aftermarket and loyal following.
They will be all over drift scene once prices fall below $10k.
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What sports car is NOT a flop besides 911, Corvette and Mustang? None of them sell well especially after first 2 years.
Your posts make sound like a hater without understanding the target market nor the competition for this Supra. This is NOT intended to be a high volume car, its a niche sports car with 2 seats. Lets see the final specs and finished product.
I personally think the BRZ and GT86 have sold pretty well worldwide, have strong aftermarket and loyal following.
They will be all over drift scene once prices fall below $10k.
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And yes, modding is a very big market still for any sports cars, especially the Supra / GTR crowd.
You're at the point of just trying to troll this thread now, and no matter what people say, you'll just throw something else in the mix. The car won't change. It's not going to cost less. It's not going through last second redesign. It's not going to have a 2JZ block. Get over it...
PS - curious, what car do you drive?
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Most people buy cars on the ability to mod it at least with the circle I'm in. I have friends with 1100 HP+ GTR's that still have stock ECU's that have been flashed. I agree that some people want a $65K car that doesn't need any mods to play with others and that's fine. Even the A90 chief engineer himself acknowledged the fact that the aftermarket will allow owners to modify and make car to their liking and even joked that if anyone plans to 2jz swap the A90 they should buy the 4cyl model to do it. Local shop to me has already registered 2 different website names related to swapping the A90 with a 2jz. The Supra name alone has the aftermarket ready for this platform. I may get one still will keep my MKIV but will wait at least 2 plus years once bugs are worked out and there are various aftermarket options. Friends in my circle plan to do the same even though I know one or two will probably buy the 6cyl as soon as they are available.
As for the 1100hp GTRs, while on the stock ECU everything has to be built including the engine and transmission. Ask how much those GTRs cost to mod, likely $40k-$50k.
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It sounds like you're arguing that they should change back to Toyco in-house design, which they won't.
And yes, modding is a very big market still for any sports cars, especially the Supra / GTR crowd.
You're at the point of just trying to troll this thread now, and no matter what people say, you'll just throw something else in the mix. The car won't change. It's not going to cost less. It's not going through last second redesign. It's not going to have a 2JZ block. Get over it...
PS - curious, what car do you drive?
And yes, modding is a very big market still for any sports cars, especially the Supra / GTR crowd.
You're at the point of just trying to troll this thread now, and no matter what people say, you'll just throw something else in the mix. The car won't change. It's not going to cost less. It's not going through last second redesign. It's not going to have a 2JZ block. Get over it...
PS - curious, what car do you drive?
I just realized something. Why can't people just drive the car as is? Why buy a car to mod? Sure if you have money to burn, go for it. A great car should be enough in stock form. A Supra should be known to be a great driving car, not a great car to mod. Being easy to mod should be perk.
I'm driving a 2015 GS350AWD right now.
I just realized something. Why can't people just drive the car as is? Why buy a car to mod? Sure if you have money to burn, go for it. A great car should be enough in stock form. A Supra should be known to be a great driving car, not a great car to mod. Being easy to mod should be perk.
I just realized something. Why can't people just drive the car as is? Why buy a car to mod? Sure if you have money to burn, go for it. A great car should be enough in stock form. A Supra should be known to be a great driving car, not a great car to mod. Being easy to mod should be perk.
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I'm driving a 2015 GS350AWD right now.
I just realized something. Why can't people just drive the car as is? Why buy a car to mod? Sure if you have money to burn, go for it. A great car should be enough in stock form. A Supra should be known to be a great driving car, not a great car to mod. Being easy to mod should be perk.
I just realized something. Why can't people just drive the car as is? Why buy a car to mod? Sure if you have money to burn, go for it. A great car should be enough in stock form. A Supra should be known to be a great driving car, not a great car to mod. Being easy to mod should be perk.
Whats wrong with modding? To customize it to the way you like, and not be another car in a sea of cars?
Take for example, my car (an 18' RS400). I ONLY bought it because I can mod it quite a bit to make it outperform other cars costing much, much more than it. Hey, I like the fact it is a bit of a sleeper. If people want stock, good for them. But do I chastise people because they want to remain stock?
Back to the Supra A90, stock performance will be on par with a Cayman, which it is what Toyota is targeting. That is pretty damn good stock. But throw in a few grand and you possibly have Carrera performance for half the price? Now that is where the allure is. If you don't mod, you won't understand, and more power to you. But MOST Supra owners do mod, and the reason why the A80 platform is so legendary is for its ability to be modded heavily. If you don't like it, well there is always an RC350/RC-F i guess, which seems like it suits you better anyways.
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No I'm asking why anyone would buy a $65k car just to mod it. How is asking a sensible question ignorant? Sure if it was used and you can pick it up for 1/3 of the price, sure have at it. Perhaps I am ignorant of part of the car culture where people have money burning a hole in their pants.
No I'm asking why anyone would buy a $65k car just to mod it. How is asking a sensible question ignorant? Sure if it was used and you can pick it up for 1/3 of the price, sure have at it. Perhaps I am ignorant of part of the car culture where people have money burning a hole in their pants.
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No I'm asking why anyone would buy a $65k car just to mod it. How is asking a sensible question ignorant? Sure if it was used and you can pick it up for 1/3 of the price, sure have at it. Perhaps I am ignorant of part of the car culture where people have money burning a hole in their pants.
Tada - the chief engineer spoke to Supra owners and their #1 demand was being able to TUNE the car.
That is what the customer base wants that buys these cars.
Go on Google.com and type in SEMA.
The aftermarket industry is over a billion dollars therefore a LOT of people modify cars whether its $500k Aventador or $5k used Civic.
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Please stop trolling.
Tada - the chief engineer spoke to Supra owners and their #1 demand was being able to TUNE the car.
That is what the customer base wants that buys these cars.
Go on Google.com and type in SEMA.
The aftermarket industry is over a billion dollars therefore a LOT of people modify cars whether its $500k Aventador or $5k used Civic.
And again, you just proved my point. A $5k civic, have it at and if it blows up find another. A $500k Lambo, you must have money burning a hole in your pants, therefore have at it. The point is, if you have the money, go for it.
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