2019 Toyota Supra
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Still a hardcore purist. Always one and always will be.
I wanted this Supra to be Japanese. It was suppose to be the Japanese sports car. But what I got from reading a few of the reviews - its pretty much a BMW Sports car that is tuned by Toyota. If I was going to buy a Toyota with BMW reliability, I would buy a BMW.
And to add insult to injury - the rumor price is in the 63K. Like damn. That's BMW M2 Comp Pack money and that thing comes with a 6MT. Like I said before, purist of the Toyota/Supra name will bail because they don't want a German Supra. And German petrol-heads will probably just buy a BMW M2.
I wanted this Supra to be Japanese. It was suppose to be the Japanese sports car. But what I got from reading a few of the reviews - its pretty much a BMW Sports car that is tuned by Toyota. If I was going to buy a Toyota with BMW reliability, I would buy a BMW.
And to add insult to injury - the rumor price is in the 63K. Like damn. That's BMW M2 Comp Pack money and that thing comes with a 6MT. Like I said before, purist of the Toyota/Supra name will bail because they don't want a German Supra. And German petrol-heads will probably just buy a BMW M2.
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One would think that even for service, they'd just have you take it to BMW? How would a Toyota dealership be setup (physically, i.e. equipment to include software that uploads to Munich) to work on what's essentially a BMW? The techs would be like pelicans hanging around Wanchese Harbor.
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It'll be a Supra with a BMW Engine, BMW Chassis, BMW infotainment system, BMW interior, BMW tranmission and etc... The only thing Toyota Supra about it is the name, design and the tune of the engine. Its still a German Supra at the end of the day to me which is the part that is hard to stomach.
This is why I think purist will stay away and German car shoppers will stay BMW.
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They are saying it feels about as quick as 335hp BMW cars so in 20 years it gained 15hp. Definitely is not the Corvette/911 killer/competitor it used to be, won't even be able to compete with 8 cylinder Mustangs or Camaro's now. From what I am reading and seeing they really shouldn't have bothered.
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Yup. I heard the car isn't finalized yet. But what else can they do to make it "more Japanese Supra" though? I believe - what they mean by not finalized - is that they are still working on the tune. Everything else is set in stone though.
It'll be a Supra with a BMW Engine, BMW Chassis, BMW infotainment system, BMW interior, BMW tranmission and etc... The only thing Toyota Supra about it is the name, design and the tune of the engine. Its still a German Supra at the end of the day to me which is the part that is hard to stomach.
This is why I think purist will stay away and German car shoppers will stay BMW.
It'll be a Supra with a BMW Engine, BMW Chassis, BMW infotainment system, BMW interior, BMW tranmission and etc... The only thing Toyota Supra about it is the name, design and the tune of the engine. Its still a German Supra at the end of the day to me which is the part that is hard to stomach.
This is why I think purist will stay away and German car shoppers will stay BMW.
I mean, I reallllly don't think they will put a BMW shift **** on a Toyota even if the transmission is sourced from Germany...
They are saying it feels about as quick as 335hp BMW cars so in 20 years it gained 15hp. Definitely is not the Corvette/911 killer/competitor it used to be, won't even be able to compete with 8 cylinder Mustangs or Camaro's now. From what I am reading and seeing they really shouldn't have bothered.
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I want to believe that the interior/exterior parts were just for the purpose of having a functional model that's pretty close to the production model; this demonstration is to get feedback for performance.
I mean, I reallllly don't think they will put a BMW shift **** on a Toyota even if the transmission is sourced from Germany...
I mean, I reallllly don't think they will put a BMW shift **** on a Toyota even if the transmission is sourced from Germany...
This is the spy spot of the Toyota Supra interior. The interior looks pretty much done. As you can clearly see - the transmission lever (E-Gear) looks like its from BMW. Its also looks like the Supra will be using the BMW iDrive as well.
Like I said - the only thing Toyota Supra about this Supra is that its the name, the design and its tuned by Toyota.
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They are saying it feels about as quick as 335hp BMW cars so in 20 years it gained 15hp. Definitely is not the Corvette/911 killer/competitor it used to be, won't even be able to compete with 8 cylinder Mustangs or Camaro's now. From what I am reading and seeing they really shouldn't have bothered.
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Its still a great car. Not knocking the car itself. Its just the branding is out of whack. I wouldn't have a problem if they don't call this the Supra. I'm still hoping they don't call it a Supra because in theory - its not a Supra. Its a BMW.
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Not with that horsepower rumors and testers are saying it feels like, around 335-360hp at most. Corvette has 455hp base, last Supra and Corvette had around the same power in the 90's when it debuted and the Supra was quicker, handled better, and was a much nicer car. 63K price tag will ensure sales are rare, rarer then the last Supra and this one is no looker either judging by its profile and what it is based on. If it had LC500 looks and proportions like it should have had then it could sell more on looks but this thing looks like what it is based on, a hard top relatively entry level roadster.
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P.S. A RWD sports car without a mechanical LSD is not a sports car, end of discussion.
but i get your point because an lsd is awesome. new electronic ones can be at least as effective from what i've read so to me it doesn't have to be mechanical, but maybe i misunderstood the pros/cons.
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Not with that horsepower rumors and testers are saying it feels like, around 335-360hp at most. Corvette has 455hp base, last Supra and Corvette had around the same power in the 90's when it debuted and the Supra was quicker, handled better, and was a much nicer car. 63K price tag will ensure sales are rare, rarer then the last Supra and this one is no looker either judging by its profile and what it is based on. If it had LC500 looks and proportions like it should have had then it could sell more on looks but this thing looks like what it is based on, a hard top relatively entry level roadster.