Tesla Model 3
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ambient temperature has a large effect on the batterys performance. Especially the cold. AAA found high ambient temps took 20% off the range, and cold temperatures took 30% off the range
It's amazing to me that a car with no dashboard that requires you to constantly look AWAY from the road in order to see common references stats for speed, charge, ambient temperature, etc. is outselling a BMW 3 Series which has none of those problems and probably has better build quality.
Not to mention that you can ALWAYS go to BMW and order parts for a BMW even if you do not provide a VIN number. Just give them a part number and see if it's in stock or not. Tesla... not so much.
I am happy that Tesla is gaining on things and will probably make it and I'm glad to see another big player in the market. EV technology in general makes me enthusiastic.
But just the same as the extreme popularity of crossovers, CUVs and SUVs are to me so is the popularity of an EV that more or less is designed to de-emphasize the role of the driver and which just so happens to correlate with a down-tick in BMW 3 Series sales. You know... the gold standard of luxury sport sedans that are supposedly for people who like to drive.
That statistical correlation boggles the mind but there it is. Weird.
Not to mention that you can ALWAYS go to BMW and order parts for a BMW even if you do not provide a VIN number. Just give them a part number and see if it's in stock or not. Tesla... not so much.
I am happy that Tesla is gaining on things and will probably make it and I'm glad to see another big player in the market. EV technology in general makes me enthusiastic.
But just the same as the extreme popularity of crossovers, CUVs and SUVs are to me so is the popularity of an EV that more or less is designed to de-emphasize the role of the driver and which just so happens to correlate with a down-tick in BMW 3 Series sales. You know... the gold standard of luxury sport sedans that are supposedly for people who like to drive.
That statistical correlation boggles the mind but there it is. Weird.
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It's amazing to me that a car with no dashboard that requires you to constantly look AWAY from the road in order to see common references stats for speed, charge, ambient temperature, etc. is outselling a BMW 3 Series which has none of those problems and probably has better build quality.
Not to mention that you can ALWAYS go to BMW and order parts for a BMW even if you do not provide a VIN number. Just give them a part number and see if it's in stock or not. Tesla... not so much.
I am happy that Tesla is gaining on things and will probably make it and I'm glad to see another big player in the market. EV technology in general makes me enthusiastic.
But just the same as the extreme popularity of crossovers, CUVs and SUVs are to me so is the popularity of an EV that more or less is designed to de-emphasize the role of the driver and which just so happens to correlate with a down-tick in BMW 3 Series sales. You know... the gold standard of luxury sport sedans that are supposedly for people who like to drive.
That statistical correlation boggles the mind but there it is. Weird.
Not to mention that you can ALWAYS go to BMW and order parts for a BMW even if you do not provide a VIN number. Just give them a part number and see if it's in stock or not. Tesla... not so much.
I am happy that Tesla is gaining on things and will probably make it and I'm glad to see another big player in the market. EV technology in general makes me enthusiastic.
But just the same as the extreme popularity of crossovers, CUVs and SUVs are to me so is the popularity of an EV that more or less is designed to de-emphasize the role of the driver and which just so happens to correlate with a down-tick in BMW 3 Series sales. You know... the gold standard of luxury sport sedans that are supposedly for people who like to drive.
That statistical correlation boggles the mind but there it is. Weird.
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Tesla launches $45,000 dollar Model 3
Tesla on Thursday introduced a new $45,000 version of its Model 3 sedan on its website, launching the car as U.S. tax breaks for Tesla cars are about to decrease.
According to the website, the rear-wheel-drive model has a "midrange" battery, a range of 260 miles, 50 miles less than the long-range battery that the more expensive Model 3 is equipped with.
The new version has a delivery period of six to 10 weeks, according to the website, which would make customers eligible for the current $7,500 U.S. tax credit if they take delivery by the end of the year. The tax credit for Tesla cars will drop by half on Jan. 1, then by half again in mid-2019.
Although Tesla has promised a base-level version of the Model 3 priced at $35,000, so far the company has produced only higher-cost versions starting at about $49,000. Tesla has said it will not manufacture the base-level version of the Model 3 this year.
Adding the mid-priced version of the Model 3 appears to be a strategic way to lure possible buyers who had been waiting for the lower-priced car. It is not clear how many of the more than 400,000 reservations for the Model 3 are for the base models.
According to the website, the rear-wheel-drive model has a "midrange" battery, a range of 260 miles, 50 miles less than the long-range battery that the more expensive Model 3 is equipped with.
The new version has a delivery period of six to 10 weeks, according to the website, which would make customers eligible for the current $7,500 U.S. tax credit if they take delivery by the end of the year. The tax credit for Tesla cars will drop by half on Jan. 1, then by half again in mid-2019.
Although Tesla has promised a base-level version of the Model 3 priced at $35,000, so far the company has produced only higher-cost versions starting at about $49,000. Tesla has said it will not manufacture the base-level version of the Model 3 this year.
Adding the mid-priced version of the Model 3 appears to be a strategic way to lure possible buyers who had been waiting for the lower-priced car. It is not clear how many of the more than 400,000 reservations for the Model 3 are for the base models.
I have always been annoyed by the sleezy marketing of Tesla prices. They give you a "after incentives and gas savings price" as the sticker price. Lol.
I love how they calculate the gas savings for you to make the car appear cheaper so you'll buy it.
Majority of the population is still waiting on that 35K Model 3 that was promised since launch but never sold.
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Secondly - I only left a personal commentary because its true - they tend do shady advertisement. I brought it up because the autoblog picture shows the sales price with "gas savings." What other car company does that? I don't see Toyota Prius show you a MSRP sticker price with gas savings calculated in?
Third - How am I bashing Tesla on the other thread? Because I called the Model 3 ugly? That's my opinion and I have a right to that. Because I say the Tesla is unreliable? That's just a fact.
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Since the other thread is about sales numbers of Tesla, I didn't want to post something about Tesla introducing a new Model 3 trim level. As they are two different topics.
If a mod feels like its fine to have them both together, they can merge and I'll apologize. But my train of thought was that it was too different to be under 1 thread.
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it is exactly what they do, it is not bashing... and there are so many owners that are missing their delivery times by Tesla right now, how in the world will anyone get these before end of the year? Another thread has link to Tesla forums about delivery issues.
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From: Canada
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Thank you! I'm not sure why people get so aggressive over opinions about Tesla. I'm just posting what I see. Its not like I'm spewing random rumors.
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I do think the gas-savings bit is low. I mean you still have to charge the vehicle, inevitably at your own home at some point in time, which costs money.
But you also have to remember, even when the $35k model is available, that's the BASE model. No options. How many of those will actually be sold? The answer is, probably quite a few. With Tesla, you don't have a typical dealership experience. You order the car as you would want it. So in theory, you could actually see a $35k base model... after incentives, of course.
But you also have to remember, even when the $35k model is available, that's the BASE model. No options. How many of those will actually be sold? The answer is, probably quite a few. With Tesla, you don't have a typical dealership experience. You order the car as you would want it. So in theory, you could actually see a $35k base model... after incentives, of course.
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Are you asking me?
Yes. I'll consider it only once they fix the reliability issues, buying experience, and service experience.
Some notes on the service experience:
1) You have to wait months sometimes for you to fix the car at Tesla.
2) Very few mechanics are certificated to fix Teslas. This is a huge problem if you road trip and something goes wrong.
3) Majority of parts are only sold through Tesla.
4) If you service it through Tesla, you get a random Ford/Chevy as a loaner car instead of a Model 3 or equal value of car.
Yeah. The 35K model 3 will definitely be a popular choice. I'm still waiting for it to get here. The Model 3 has always been marketed as the cheap/mass market Tesla but yet the 35K model 3 is not even here yet.
Chances are - the 35K Model 3 might not end exist later on. It could be a bait and switch since incentives are going away now.
Yes. I'll consider it only once they fix the reliability issues, buying experience, and service experience.
Some notes on the service experience:
1) You have to wait months sometimes for you to fix the car at Tesla.
2) Very few mechanics are certificated to fix Teslas. This is a huge problem if you road trip and something goes wrong.
3) Majority of parts are only sold through Tesla.
4) If you service it through Tesla, you get a random Ford/Chevy as a loaner car instead of a Model 3 or equal value of car.
I do think the gas-savings bit is low. I mean you still have to charge the vehicle, inevitably at your own home at some point in time, which costs money.
But you also have to remember, even when the $35k model is available, that's the BASE model. No options. How many of those will actually be sold? The answer is, probably quite a few. With Tesla, you don't have a typical dealership experience. You order the car as you would want it. So in theory, you could actually see a $35k base model... after incentives, of course.
But you also have to remember, even when the $35k model is available, that's the BASE model. No options. How many of those will actually be sold? The answer is, probably quite a few. With Tesla, you don't have a typical dealership experience. You order the car as you would want it. So in theory, you could actually see a $35k base model... after incentives, of course.
Chances are - the 35K Model 3 might not end exist later on. It could be a bait and switch since incentives are going away now.