Tesla Model 3
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From: fl
Erm....
"Range anxiety" only exist for electric cars because you have to plan your trip around charging location. Gas cars do not have range anxiety because you have gas stations literally every few miles. Back when I was getting my Master's degree, I went to school in SoCal and I'm from NorCal. On the times I drive home, it takes me about 350+ miles to get home. On the drive up, I never have to worry about range. However - if I was in a Tesla, I would have to worry about range because a full charge Tesla can't make it from SoCal to NorCal in one charge.
Note: Highest Model 3 range: 310 miles and Highest Model S Range: 335 miles. Neither of which can take you from deep LA into SF - especially not with traffic.
If I had a Tesla, I would have range anxiety driving towards the Bay Area worrying about where would I charge or I would be stuck. For gas car, there is a gas station every few miles. No worries there.
Change the oil? Hows there anxiety for that? Literally no anxiety for that. If someone has anxiety for an oil change, they tripping.
1) If you are too lazy to change yourself or too busy. Step up an appointment, drop off the car at the dealer, and it'll be done for you. No anxiety.
2) If you have time, drive to AutoZone, buy some oil and filter. Do it yourself.
At the end of the day, oil changes can be done ever 3K to 5K miles. You have plenty of time.
Transmission fluid and software updates?
Again - when you service your car at the dealer, dealers would probably do the oil change and the other necessary things for you. How is their anxiety there?
"Range anxiety" only exist for electric cars because you have to plan your trip around charging location. Gas cars do not have range anxiety because you have gas stations literally every few miles. Back when I was getting my Master's degree, I went to school in SoCal and I'm from NorCal. On the times I drive home, it takes me about 350+ miles to get home. On the drive up, I never have to worry about range. However - if I was in a Tesla, I would have to worry about range because a full charge Tesla can't make it from SoCal to NorCal in one charge.
Note: Highest Model 3 range: 310 miles and Highest Model S Range: 335 miles. Neither of which can take you from deep LA into SF - especially not with traffic.
If I had a Tesla, I would have range anxiety driving towards the Bay Area worrying about where would I charge or I would be stuck. For gas car, there is a gas station every few miles. No worries there.
Change the oil? Hows there anxiety for that? Literally no anxiety for that. If someone has anxiety for an oil change, they tripping.
1) If you are too lazy to change yourself or too busy. Step up an appointment, drop off the car at the dealer, and it'll be done for you. No anxiety.
2) If you have time, drive to AutoZone, buy some oil and filter. Do it yourself.
At the end of the day, oil changes can be done ever 3K to 5K miles. You have plenty of time.
Transmission fluid and software updates?
Again - when you service your car at the dealer, dealers would probably do the oil change and the other necessary things for you. How is their anxiety there?
Lexus 2000 was responding to this quote from riredale: "As for the "Total Cost of Ownership" topic, I'd suggest adding a few more line items. First, the cost of constantly having to plug and unplug the charging cable. There's definitely a time cost involved."
Lexus 2000 is saying the amount of time it takes to fill up with gas, get oil changes, etc. is never calculated in anyone's mind when buying a gas vehicle so the amount of time "constantly having to plug and unplug the cable" shouldn't be factored in as a negative for Tesla.
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From: fl
Yup. The issue isn't them showing the "total cost of ownership" but rather the way they present it makes it seem like the out the door price. To the untrained consumer, this would be enough to get them to go to the Tesla Store to check out the car or even place an order.
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,207
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From: New York
I checked out the Tesla forum the other day and holy crap is it active.
The level of engagement and interest is truly impressive.
Lexus can only dream ES, GS and LS would generate this type of followers.
These buyers know full well what to expect.
They are even modding cars with lowering springs etc.
The level of engagement and interest is truly impressive.
Lexus can only dream ES, GS and LS would generate this type of followers.
These buyers know full well what to expect.
They are even modding cars with lowering springs etc.
Racer
Joined: Nov 2010
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From: NY
I'm quite upset with Tesla delayed the $35k model 3 and miss out on the $7,500 credit. I just want to get it as a daily try out the technology. Don't really need the bell & whistle of the premium stuff except maybe the AWD model. Waited 2+ years only with a big disappointment.
My expectation was as how Tesla advertised: $35,000 - $7,500 - $2,000(NY) = $25,500 + fees & tax.
I hate the fact that they accepted the $1,000 reservation and broke the promise. This is something I don't like and canceled mine. Don't plan to get one even when the $35 model is available.
My expectation was as how Tesla advertised: $35,000 - $7,500 - $2,000(NY) = $25,500 + fees & tax.
I hate the fact that they accepted the $1,000 reservation and broke the promise. This is something I don't like and canceled mine. Don't plan to get one even when the $35 model is available.
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,644
Likes: 4,046
From: Maryland
I checked out the Tesla forum the other day and holy crap is it active.
The level of engagement and interest is truly impressive.
Lexus can only dream ES, GS and LS would generate this type of followers.
These buyers know full well what to expect.
They are even modding cars with lowering springs etc.
The level of engagement and interest is truly impressive.
Lexus can only dream ES, GS and LS would generate this type of followers.
These buyers know full well what to expect.
They are even modding cars with lowering springs etc.
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,207
Likes: 250
From: New York
I'm quite upset with Tesla delayed the $35k model 3 and miss out on the $7,500 credit. I just want to get it as a daily try out the technology. Don't really need the bell & whistle of the premium stuff except maybe the AWD model. Waited 2+ years only with a big disappointment.
My expectation was as how Tesla advertised: $35,000 - $7,500 - $2,000(NY) = $25,500 + fees & tax.
I hate the fact that they accepted the $1,000 reservation and broke the promise. This is something I don't like and canceled mine. Don't plan to get one even when the $35 model is available.
My expectation was as how Tesla advertised: $35,000 - $7,500 - $2,000(NY) = $25,500 + fees & tax.
I hate the fact that they accepted the $1,000 reservation and broke the promise. This is something I don't like and canceled mine. Don't plan to get one even when the $35 model is available.
Racer
Joined: Nov 2010
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From: NY
I’m not sure if you are serious but the production delays have been well publicized and Tesla has announced numerous times that they will not be building the base versions until they fix their production issues. It only makes business sense to build the more expensive cars first to maximize their profit margins which they desperately need.
Why would I want to pay 10% more on top the delay? I understand it make sense for Tesla to build the more expensive version but it doesn't make sense for me to continue to wait. They upset those buyers who believes and supported Tesla by putting the $1,000 down reservation. I just happen to be one of them and feel disappointed.
Racer
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,363
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From: NY
As for my XC90 T5, the only options were metallic paint & leather seat. Dealer inventory didn't have any without option unless I special order it. Got it with 11% off MSRP as posted in the CL lease thread.
The Model 3 was intended for daily and I really don't need option like leather sear, auto pilot, or supercharger. The only option I'm interested is the AWD (maybe).
My main complain:; $35K version is not available after & likely miss out the $7,500 tax credit.
Last edited by grabber2; Oct 23, 2018 at 02:41 PM.
Lexus Test Driver
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From: California
I’m not sure if you are serious but the production delays have been well publicized and Tesla has announced numerous times that they will not be building the base versions until they fix their production issues. It only makes business sense to build the more expensive cars first to maximize their profit margins which they desperately need.
They are selling higher premium Model 3s to draw more cash in order to be able to sell cheaper Model 3s in the future.
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,644
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From: Maryland
I dont see how somebody can put a deposit down on a new Tesla model with no time horizon and feel like they got bait and switched. It’s a startup, it’s almost like finding something on Kickstarter...
Theyre building them in a tent for gods sake lol