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Old May 23, 2018 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LexBob2
Do we know whether they had it checked in not? They do have their own facility. How about the second car they tested? Did that owner have his checked? It recorded the same stopping distance. In any case, Tesla has announced a fix so there must be something to it.
as far as I can tell (i am not a paid member at cr) they made no attempt to have it checked, they just bring in a 2nd car to test.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 12:46 PM
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Yet another article in the WSJ this morning panned the company and the Model 3. One thing the writer mentioned was that the long list of folks who had put down $1K for a $35K Model 3 were going to be upset to discover that building $35K Model 3's are apparently a low priority and that Musk has the right to bump folks who want the $78K version to the top of the list (I'm paraphrasing here but I think that's correct). Clever idea for a company in need of more cash but kind of a bait-and-switch for the early depositors.

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Old May 23, 2018 | 12:59 PM
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finally put two and two together. +1 a performance model with that interior would look weird! racing seats, racing seat belts, and nardi steering would do nothing for it hahaha
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Old May 23, 2018 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormwind
as far as I can tell (i am not a paid member at cr) they made no attempt to have it checked, they just bring in a 2nd car to test.
Well, if the fix works and braking performance improves, current and future Tesla customers benefit.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormwind
what I find funny is cr made no attempt to bring the car in to have it serviced, you figured if something is wrong with a cars braking system a person with common sense would bring it in to have it checked. only a click bait publication would ride it out and make more drama about it.

His tweet is half false. What does he mean, they don't "advertise"? I have seen Teals commercials. I specifically remember one where, in the advertisement, they spelled brakes wrong. They spelled it "breaks." They were showing off the acceleration and braking in that commercial. Secondly, when they hold Tesla Conventions, where people come see the new Tesla products. (Sort of like Apple conventions) This is simply an advertisement. They advertised their next gen roadster by having people sit in it to "experience". They are using it to lay the seed in people's minds for them to be like "hey, Tesla can make fast/cool cars."

Its true big oil and car companies advertise but its false to say Tesla doesn't. Tesla also lobbies inside government like any other business. Its annoying hes trying to make himself look so "clean" and "pure".

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finally put two and two together. +1 a performance model with that interior would look weird! racing seats, racing seat belts, and nardi steering would do nothing for it hahaha
+1 Agreed. Elon can put Recaro racing bucket seats and change out the steering. It won't save the car from looking cheap.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BippuLexus
His tweet is half false. What does he mean, they don't "advertise"? I have seen Teals commercials. I specifically remember one where, in the advertisement, they spelled brakes wrong. They spelled it "breaks."
The irony.

AFAIK Tesla does not pay for advertising. They hold events and the like but don't contract out an ad agency or buy "air time".
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Old May 23, 2018 | 04:41 PM
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I'm sorry, but there is no way that I'm going to spend good money to sit behind a steering wheel and look out ahead at THIS.



The Saturn Ion, from 15 years ago, was bad enough.....but the 3 is even worse.


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Old May 23, 2018 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
The irony.

AFAIK Tesla does not pay for advertising. They hold events and the like but don't contract out an ad agency or buy "air time".
True. Tesla doesn't spend money on advertisement. But this doesn't they aren't advertising. On YouTube, they have tons of "advertisement" like videos. They also host tons of Tesla "events" and them sending a Roadster out into space is an advertisement as well.

Elon saying Tesla doesn't advertise is false. What he should have said is: Tesla doesn't pay for advertisement. Hes pushing a false narrative. But in theory, hes advertising harder than other companies. Seriously - sending a Tesla Roadster to space will generate more traffic than any TV commercial.

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Old May 23, 2018 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BippuLexus
. What does he mean, they don't "advertise"? I have seen Teals commercials. I specifically remember one where, in the advertisement, they spelled brakes wrong. They spelled it "breaks."
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you got any proof to back up that claim?
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Old May 23, 2018 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Rushed out? It's taken the better part of two years to get them built and fill the orders.
yes, it was rushed out... it takes 4-5 years to build a car.. they decided to skip prototypes and skip factory testing (job "one"), which usually takes 5-6 months. And this is why early cars have had so much difference in build quality, panel gaps, etc, etc.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormwind
what I find funny is cr made no attempt to bring the car in to have it serviced, you figured if something is wrong with a cars braking system a person with common sense would bring it in to have it checked. only a click bait publication would ride it out and make more drama about it.

CR is not funded by ads... they buy their own car and test them at their own independent facility.
I mean Musk promised update to the brakes, what exactly seems to be the problem with CR testing? Apparently fix is coming.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
yes, it was rushed out... it takes 4-5 years to build a car.. they decided to skip prototypes and skip factory testing (job "one"), which usually takes 5-6 months. And this is why early cars have had so much difference in build quality, panel gaps, etc, etc.

Yes, I understand that part of it from factory-testing, but my point is that customers don't usually have to wait almost two years for delivery. The longest time I can ever remember (and, at the time, this affected a friend of mine who had ordered one) was in 1997-98, when 1Gen Porsche Boxster customers had to wait up to a year or more. My friend waited 13 months.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormwind
you got any proof to back up that claim?
I have seen it at least 2 year ago. So I'll try to find it online and get back to you.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
CR is not funded by ads... they buy their own car and test them at their own independent facility.
I mean Musk promised update to the brakes, what exactly seems to be the problem with CR testing? Apparently fix is coming.
because cr review is very unfair and biased, if you look at edmunds review they found a huge list of problems but they also took it in and allow tesla to fix it so whatever score they gave the car is consider fair. now if you look at crs' they found a potential safety issue with the brakes, they didn't even bring it in for service and never gave tesla a chance to remedy it, instead they just go on and gave it a bad score and continue riding the click bait news which is just biased and unfair. they never gave tesla a chance.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 10:13 PM
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This video does not exactly inspire confidence in CR they come across poorly.

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