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Old May 19, 2009 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FKL
Point being, if Lexus is going to write this off as the headlamp housing being too high, why wouldn't they have lowered the housing? My guess is they saw no economic reasoning to spend millions retooling the front end. That's exactly why the GX will never be a true Land Rover competitor - It's a Toyota, the exterior and interior are virtually identicle, and the trim quality is not up to Lexus standards.
Identical.

Have you ever been in a LandCruiser Prado? The only thing a Range has over the Prado are on-road manners and the nameplate.... maybe nicer leather. And the GX handily takes care of that.

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Lexus does, it's called the LX 570. The GX 470 competes the the Land Rover LR3.
Maybe pricing wise, but in terms of size and purpose, I'd say the GX compares more directly with the Range (IMO). Remember the RR is still pretty handy off-road, and I wouldn't be surprised if Lexus went in that direction with the new GX. I saw somewhere something about a fold into floor 3rd row...that could only mean IRS. Height Adjustable KDSS and some other goodies and it probably wouldn't loose much to this generation GX if anything at all in off-road capabilities, while gaining the world in on-road manners.

How about an F-Sport supercharger for the 4.6?
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Are you again pulling ****s out of you know what like you did with the IS F? Have you ever BEEN inside a GX?



Beside the A/C vent location on the center stack I really don't see any similarities between the GX and 4Runner....

As for GX interior not up to Lexus standards? IT HAS BETTER MATERIAL THAN THE RX FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

I have to give you credit for your VW/Audi knowledge but you are not even close to it when it comes to Lexus...
Spare me the drama act, this is not mean't to be personal. I think I could teach you a great deal about Toyota/Lexus...

There evidently wasn't much $$ and design time put into overhauling the interior, much less the exterior. It's obvious why it was done, the Prado isn't even sold here. Plus, there's a huge hole in your post that makes it entirely void (read on).





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Like I said, a trim level. Even has the same tweeter in the door. Come on, there's no comparison at all. In fact, the photos you posted weren't even the Prado - They were of a 4Runner....I would suggest double checking these types of things before you go off on a tangent to test the language filter, much less insult somebody on a "lack of knowledge".

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Old May 19, 2009 | 11:27 PM
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Again, I find the Prado/GX/Toureg all luxurious. The GX really had to win me over as I was not a fan or supporter of it when it debuted. After driving it, I understood it. Would I get one? No. I don't like the exterior much, the V-8 is solid but not great and oh dear, no HIDs
Old May 19, 2009 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
# Eight: 2007 Land Rover LR3 HSE
# Seventh: 2007 Volkswagen Touareg V-6

# Sixth: 2007 Volvo XC90 Sport
# Fifth: 2007 Lexus GX470
# Fourth: 2007 Mercedes-Benz ML350
# Third: 2007 BMW X5 3.0si
# Second: 2007 Cadillac SRX AWD V-8
# First: 2007 Acura MDX Sport

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

Odd, the 2 cars FKL named, were both last somehow below the old GX awful 5th place finish

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-9.html

Here is the Tourag first and the GX 2nd in 2003. So clearly the GX is on par with the "superior" German engineering. lol
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-8.html

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2003 Lexus GX470

* Introduction
* Eighth: 2003 GMC Envoy SLT
* Seventh: 2003 Land Rover Discovery SE
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Lincoln Aviator
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Volvo XC90 T6
* Fourth: 2003 BMW X5 3.0i
* Third: 2003 Acura MDX
* Second: 2003 Lexus GX470
* First: 2003 Volkswagen Touareg


Land Rover sucked all sorts of goat *** again.



The Land Rover is a POS, not sure why you are mentioning it. The Touareg is a very luxurious vehicle, with the wrong badge. The GX is based on the PRADO and the Prado is like a TOureg, a luxury SUV with the wrong badge.

Hey I like HIDs, I do wish Lexus could/would put them in.

THe GX is not a fail to consumers or to Lexus. It sold well, it produce a profit. I initially HATED it when it debuted. "Another SUV" is what I thought. However it met sales goals and bridged the gap between the RX and expensive LX. Now everyone has 3 or more SUVs seemingly.

THe GX is nowhere inferior to the Toureg or Land Rover because the PRADO is not inferior to the Tourareg (what a dumbass name, I can't even spell it) or Land Rover.

GX, PRado, TOureg, IMO all very good luxurious 4x4 SUVs.

The only "failure" is the TOureg, which sold like crap after the first year.


http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...222_164455.htm

Volkswagen's Touareg SUV is as sophisticated, sprightly, and dead sexy as its name is awkward to spell and annoying to say. But at a time when Volkswagen of America is desperately trying to reaffirm its long-lost image as a quirky and clever manufacturer of cars for the rest of us, one has to wonder what this divine, all-terrain hunk of luxury is doing sporting, of all things, a V-Dub grill.

Apparently, potential Touareg buyers started asking themselves that very same question last year. Sales of the VW SUV tanked 43.7% in 2006, down to a niche-like 10,163 vehicles, according to Automotive News. High gas prices and competition for luxury, midsize SUVs that boiled over last year didn't help those sales figures much either.
2008 SALES
toURAG -6755

GX -16,424


https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...les-sales.html


Don't forget...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=103624

#4 Toureg V10 TDI
#3 Porche Cayene
#2 Range Rover
#1 GX470
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
# Eight: 2007 Land Rover LR3 HSE
# Seventh: 2007 Volkswagen Touareg V-6

# Sixth: 2007 Volvo XC90 Sport
# Fifth: 2007 Lexus GX470
# Fourth: 2007 Mercedes-Benz ML350
# Third: 2007 BMW X5 3.0si
# Second: 2007 Cadillac SRX AWD V-8
# First: 2007 Acura MDX Sport

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

Odd, the 2 cars FKL named, were both last somehow below the old GX awful 5th place finish

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-9.html

Here is the Tourag first and the GX 2nd in 2003. So clearly the GX is on par with the "superior" German engineering. lol
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-8.html

lads.
2003 Lexus GX470

* Introduction
* Eighth: 2003 GMC Envoy SLT
* Seventh: 2003 Land Rover Discovery SE
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Lincoln Aviator
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Volvo XC90 T6
* Fourth: 2003 BMW X5 3.0i
* Third: 2003 Acura MDX
* Second: 2003 Lexus GX470
* First: 2003 Volkswagen Touareg


Land Rover sucked all sorts of goat *** again.



The Land Rover is a POS, not sure why you are mentioning it. The Touareg is a very luxurious vehicle, with the wrong badge. The GX is based on the PRADO and the Prado is like a TOureg, a luxury SUV with the wrong badge.

Hey I like HIDs, I do wish Lexus could/would put them in.

THe GX is not a fail to consumers or to Lexus. It sold well, it produce a profit. I initially HATED it when it debuted. "Another SUV" is what I thought. However it met sales goals and bridged the gap between the RX and expensive LX. Now everyone has 3 or more SUVs seemingly.

THe GX is nowhere inferior to the Toureg or Land Rover because the PRADO is not inferior to the Tourareg (what a dumbass name, I can't even spell it) or Land Rover.

GX, PRado, TOureg, IMO all very good luxurious 4x4 SUVs.

The only "failure" is the TOureg, which sold like crap after the first year.


http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...222_164455.htm

Volkswagen's Touareg SUV is as sophisticated, sprightly, and dead sexy as its name is awkward to spell and annoying to say. But at a time when Volkswagen of America is desperately trying to reaffirm its long-lost image as a quirky and clever manufacturer of cars for the rest of us, one has to wonder what this divine, all-terrain hunk of luxury is doing sporting, of all things, a V-Dub grill.

Apparently, potential Touareg buyers started asking themselves that very same question last year. Sales of the VW SUV tanked 43.7% in 2006, down to a niche-like 10,163 vehicles, according to Automotive News. High gas prices and competition for luxury, midsize SUVs that boiled over last year didn't help those sales figures much either.
2008 SALES
toURAG -6755

GX -16,424


https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...les-sales.html
You know these test reviews mean nothing 1SICK. They are hardly a determinate of a vehicle's true values. We all know Lexus vehicles have been shafted by tests from C&D simply because they don't offer the dynamics of a BMW. We can sit here and search for "comparison tests" to backhandedly prove our points (OOO, the Touareg TDI totally threw a bone to the new RX hybrid), but we all know we love to tout them when we agree with them, trash them when we don't.

Like I said before, the Land Rover is a true luxury SUV. So is the Touareg. It doesn't matter if it didn't sell, it's an extremely formidable product that (and like you said, the Cayenne sales success didn't hurt the project). The Prado is a cheaper, less refined, and more simple "Toyota". Nothing at all wrong with that, and I give Lexus of America all the credit in the world for being able to bring the thing over, throw some stuff around, and make the damn thing a success. It's great, and since it's a Toyota at heart, we all know the reliability stats. But at the same time, does it offer the dynamic composure of a Touareg or Cayenne? The endless attention to detailing that goes into a Land Rover or Touareg? You have to pay for these things, and you are 100% correct when you bring up the reliability records of the Touareg. They were extremely bumpy the first three years of production, and for those who want a "8/10ths" of what a Land Rover has to offer, the GX is a great, great option. It's an option lots of buyers took. Of course, I may go overboard and call it "fail", not a "real Lexus", but that's only because I don't believe it is at parity with a Land Rover or Cayenne/Touareg on an design or luxury front.

But the entire reasoning of all this was to point out the reason why the GX doesn't offer HIDs - It's a slightly retooled Prado - a vehicle that wasn't even intended to offer HIDs given it's market trajectory. A Land Rover has luxury in mind from the start.

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Old May 19, 2009 | 11:42 PM
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You know these test reviews mean nothing 1SICK. They are hardly a determinate of a vehicle's true values. We all know Lexus vehicles have been shafted by tests from C&D simply because they don't offer the dynamics of a BMW.

Like I said before, the Land Rover is a true luxury SUV. So is the Touareg. It doesn't matter if it didn't sell, it's an extremely formidable product that (and like you said, the Cayenne sales success didn't hurt the project). The Prado is a cheaper, less refined, and more simple "Toyota". Nothing at all wrong with that, and I give Lexus of America all the power in the world for being able to bring the thing over, throw some stuff around, and make the damn thing a success. It's great, and since it's a Toyota at heart, we all know the reliability stats. But at the same time, does it offer the dynamic composure of a Touareg or Cayenne? The endless attention to detailing that goes into a Land Rover or Touareg? You have to pay for these things, and you are 100% correct when you bring up the reliability records of the Touareg. They were extremely bumpy the first three years of production, and for those who want a "8/10ths" of what a Land Rover has to offer, the GX is a great, great option. It's an option lots of buyers took. Of course, I may go overboard and call it "fail", not a "real Lexus", but that's only because I don't believe it is at parity with a Land Rover or Cayenne/Touareg on an design or luxury front.

But the entire reasoning of all this was to point out the reason why the GX doesn't offer HIDs - It's a slightly retooled Prado - a vehicle that wasn't even intended to offer HIDs given it's market trajectory. A Land Rover has luxury in mind from the start.
I am no fan of C&D but MR_F1 also shows where Edmunds picks the GX over the TOurag. You are entitled to your opinion but the facts (sales numbers/comparos) show the GX is on par with the Tourag (arguably better) and clearly much better than the LR and it sells better than both.

As for HIDs, yes, it should offer it.
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You know these test reviews mean nothing 1SICK. They are hardly a determinate of a vehicle's true values. We all know Lexus vehicles have been shafted by tests from C&D simply because they don't offer the dynamics of a BMW. We can sit here and search for "comparison tests" to backhandedly prove our points (OOO, the Touareg TDI totally threw a bone to the new RX hybrid), but we all know we love to tout them when we agree with them, trash them when we don't.

Like I said before, the Land Rover is a true luxury SUV. So is the Touareg. It doesn't matter if it didn't sell, it's an extremely formidable product that (and like you said, the Cayenne sales success didn't hurt the project). The Prado is a cheaper, less refined, and more simple "Toyota". Nothing at all wrong with that, and I give Lexus of America all the power in the world for being able to bring the thing over, throw some stuff around, and make the damn thing a success. It's great, and since it's a Toyota at heart, we all know the reliability stats. But at the same time, does it offer the dynamic composure of a Touareg or Cayenne? The endless attention to detailing that goes into a Land Rover or Touareg? You have to pay for these things, and you are 100% correct when you bring up the reliability records of the Touareg. They were extremely bumpy the first three years of production, and for those who want a "8/10ths" of what a Land Rover has to offer, the GX is a great, great option. It's an option lots of buyers took. Of course, I may go overboard and call it "fail", not a "real Lexus", but that's only because I don't believe it is at parity with a Land Rover or Cayenne/Touareg on an design or luxury front.

But the entire reasoning of all this was to point out the reason why the GX doesn't offer HIDs - It's a slightly retooled Prado - a vehicle that wasn't even intended to offer HIDs given it's market trajectory. A Land Rover has luxury in mind from the start.

Though I am not really big on what reviews have to say, even less so Edmunds, I must point out that;

it pampers you from the minute you get in and rarely disappoints from there. From the perfectly shaped seats to the crisp, clear gauges to the silky smooth drivetrain, the GX is a top-tier luxury SUV in every sense of the term. Not only does it offer all the latest features and amenities, this Lexus also comes through with refined highway manners, exceptional off-road capability and seating for seven. It may not carry the prestige of a Porsche or the tradition of Land Rover, but when it comes to delivering on all things you would want and expect from a high-end SUV the GX 470 is in a league of its own.
Few are apt to find the interior of the GX lacking as it not only provides all the latest gadgets, it combines them with a level of comfort that no other vehicle in the test could match. It earned the top scores in all four areas of our "ride quality" category that includes front-seat comfort, wind and road noise, rattles and squeaks and rear-seat comfort. As we said before, the GX 470 coddles you from the moment you plop down into its plush driver seat. "The Porsche might have looked a little more luxurious, but it was the Lexus that felt the most luxurious," wrote one editor after logging some seat time in the GX. Another wrote, "It took some time before I could get comfortable in the other vehicles, but with the Lexus it felt like I had been driving it for years the minute I sat down."
More than just comfortable seats and plenty of space, the Lexus delivers on the details as well. There are few surfaces that aren't covered in some kind of soft-to-the-touch material and the wood trim has the look of "fine furniture" according to one editor. The climate controls are easily accessible, the cupholders can swallow just about anything and the navigation system is usable at a glance.

You were saying?
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Lest I not forget;

After subjecting the GX 470 to various on- and off-road driving situations, it was apparent that the exhaustive efforts of its engineers weren't wasted. On pavement, the Lexus lives up to its luxury billing as it combines a plush ride quality with respectable handling that almost every editor found pleasing. "It may not have the sportiest feel of the group, but if I had to drive one of these SUVs everyday, the Lexus would be my first choice for sure," one editor wrote. A console switch allows for adjustment of the shock absorbers for varying degrees of stiffness, but it was better left alone as the standard setting seemed to provide just the right compromise between comfort and performance.
Our particular test vehicle was equipped with the optional Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS) that not only sharpened up the on-road handling but also allowed for increased wheel articulation off-road. Working in conjunction with the adjustable rear air suspension, the GX 470 proved to be a surefooted off-road partner that was every bit as capable as the Land Rover and Volkswagen. More than one editor was surprised by the GX's nimble off-road manners as it creeped its way over boulders that gave the Porsche fits. We'll admit that much of our surprise stemmed from the fact that the GX 470 is probably the least likely vehicle to ever see such serious off-road duty, but its level of agility in the rough stuff was just another sign that the GX 470 was no poser.
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That I don't agree. That the thing is a Toyota Prado with a richer interior.

I wasn't aware that we now read comparison test reviews as the bible. It was just a few weeks ago that some were calling for certain magazines to "go bankrupt" because it didn't have the result they would have liked. Why is it that when Lexus is on the top, you can't question it, but when it's...gasp...BMW, it's the end of time? I don't understand. These "tests" don't "prove" anything beyond a certain vehicle rose to the top given "XY's" priorities and judging criteria.

I totally respect where Edmunds is coming from, but I disagree. Sales numbers and comparison tests are hardly the two foundational pillars that guage the quality of a product. The Touareg won various awards when it was released as well...and so what? When you defend a product, it's weak to use the "But it won more comparison tests" arugment. (IMO).

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oh dear, I have seen it all.

CL has hit the new low with some German die heart fans on board. I shall not waste here no more.

Thanks for a good laugh.
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That I don't agree. That the thing is a Toyota Prado with a richer interior.

I wasn't aware that we now read comparison test reviews as the bible. It was just a few weeks ago that some were calling for certain magazines to "go bankrupt" because it didn't have the result they would have liked. Why is it that when Lexus is on the top, you can't question it, but when it's...gasp...BMW, it's the end of time? I don't understand. These "tests" don't "prove" anything beyond a certain vehicle rose to the top given "XY's" priorities and judging criteria.

I totally respect where Edmunds is coming from, but I disagree. Sales numbers and comparison tests are hardly the two foundational pillars that guage the quality of a product. The Touareg won various awards when it was released as well...and so what? When you defend a product, it's weak to use the "But it won more comparison tests" arugment. (IMO).

And I asked you about 10 posts ago, have you ever been in a LandCruiser Prado, and I still can't get a straight answer. I have, many times, and I will say again, The only thing a Range has on it is the badge and prettier leather. If you don't like the interior design that is fine, design is subjective, but you CANNOT criticize the quality as being less than top class.
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I'll read through the thread later when I'm awake but I wanted to make short comment from original post.


Glad it will have new rear door. hopefully a split-fold such as lc and lx. It was one of my main complaints with the current gen. In fact, I believe it is my only real major complaint that I could think of right now.

Also, very happy that it STAYS AN OFFROADER!!!!! I would not consider this in my garage if it were another wannabe sports car. It's an SUV for christ's sake...

Could be possible replacement for the 4runner. I can't wait to see it.
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Here is how 2010 GX might look like (spy pic of prado).

I searched and found a Japanese source.

Prado underpins GX,

take a look.

front lights take cues from LX.

It's for sure GX will probably look nicer.
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