New Lexus GX SUV Due This Fall

Have you ever been in a LandCruiser Prado? The only thing a Range has over the Prado are on-road manners and the nameplate.... maybe nicer leather. And the GX handily takes care of that.
How about an F-Sport supercharger for the 4.6?
Beside the A/C vent location on the center stack I really don't see any similarities between the GX and 4Runner....
As for GX interior not up to Lexus standards? IT HAS BETTER MATERIAL THAN THE RX FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

I have to give you credit for your VW/Audi knowledge but you are not even close to it when it comes to Lexus...
There evidently wasn't much $$ and design time put into overhauling the interior, much less the exterior. It's obvious why it was done, the Prado isn't even sold here. Plus, there's a huge hole in your post that makes it entirely void (read on).


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Like I said, a trim level. Even has the same tweeter in the door. Come on, there's no comparison at all. In fact, the photos you posted weren't even the Prado - They were of a 4Runner....I would suggest double checking these types of things before you go off on a tangent to test the language filter, much less insult somebody on a "lack of knowledge".
Last edited by FKL; May 19, 2009 at 11:45 PM.
# Seventh: 2007 Volkswagen Touareg V-6
# Sixth: 2007 Volvo XC90 Sport
# Fifth: 2007 Lexus GX470
# Fourth: 2007 Mercedes-Benz ML350
# Third: 2007 BMW X5 3.0si
# Second: 2007 Cadillac SRX AWD V-8
# First: 2007 Acura MDX Sport
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Odd, the 2 cars FKL named, were both last
somehow below the old GX awful 5th place finish 
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-9.html
Here is the Tourag first and the GX 2nd in 2003. So clearly the GX is on par with the "superior" German engineering. lol
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-8.html
lads.
2003 Lexus GX470
* Introduction
* Eighth: 2003 GMC Envoy SLT
* Seventh: 2003 Land Rover Discovery SE
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Lincoln Aviator
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Volvo XC90 T6
* Fourth: 2003 BMW X5 3.0i
* Third: 2003 Acura MDX
* Second: 2003 Lexus GX470
* First: 2003 Volkswagen Touareg
Land Rover sucked all sorts of goat *** again.
The Land Rover is a POS, not sure why you are mentioning it. The Touareg is a very luxurious vehicle, with the wrong badge. The GX is based on the PRADO and the Prado is like a TOureg, a luxury SUV with the wrong badge.
Hey I like HIDs, I do wish Lexus could/would put them in.
THe GX is not a fail to consumers or to Lexus. It sold well, it produce a profit. I initially HATED it when it debuted. "Another SUV" is what I thought. However it met sales goals and bridged the gap between the RX and expensive LX. Now everyone has 3 or more SUVs seemingly.
THe GX is nowhere inferior to the Toureg or Land Rover because the PRADO is not inferior to the Tourareg (what a dumbass name, I can't even spell it) or Land Rover.
GX, PRado, TOureg, IMO all very good luxurious 4x4 SUVs.
The only "failure" is the TOureg, which sold like crap after the first year.
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...222_164455.htm
Volkswagen's Touareg SUV is as sophisticated, sprightly, and dead sexy as its name is awkward to spell and annoying to say. But at a time when Volkswagen of America is desperately trying to reaffirm its long-lost image as a quirky and clever manufacturer of cars for the rest of us, one has to wonder what this divine, all-terrain hunk of luxury is doing sporting, of all things, a V-Dub grill.
Apparently, potential Touareg buyers started asking themselves that very same question last year. Sales of the VW SUV tanked 43.7% in 2006, down to a niche-like 10,163 vehicles, according to Automotive News. High gas prices and competition for luxury, midsize SUVs that boiled over last year didn't help those sales figures much either.
2008 SALES
toURAG -6755
GX -16,424
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...les-sales.html
Don't forget...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=103624
#4 Toureg V10 TDI
#3 Porche Cayene
#2 Range Rover
#1 GX470
# Seventh: 2007 Volkswagen Touareg V-6
# Sixth: 2007 Volvo XC90 Sport
# Fifth: 2007 Lexus GX470
# Fourth: 2007 Mercedes-Benz ML350
# Third: 2007 BMW X5 3.0si
# Second: 2007 Cadillac SRX AWD V-8
# First: 2007 Acura MDX Sport
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Odd, the 2 cars FKL named, were both last
somehow below the old GX awful 5th place finish 
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-9.html
Here is the Tourag first and the GX 2nd in 2003. So clearly the GX is on par with the "superior" German engineering. lol
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-8.html
lads.
2003 Lexus GX470
* Introduction
* Eighth: 2003 GMC Envoy SLT
* Seventh: 2003 Land Rover Discovery SE
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Lincoln Aviator
* Fifth (tie): 2003 Volvo XC90 T6
* Fourth: 2003 BMW X5 3.0i
* Third: 2003 Acura MDX
* Second: 2003 Lexus GX470
* First: 2003 Volkswagen Touareg
Land Rover sucked all sorts of goat *** again.
The Land Rover is a POS, not sure why you are mentioning it. The Touareg is a very luxurious vehicle, with the wrong badge. The GX is based on the PRADO and the Prado is like a TOureg, a luxury SUV with the wrong badge.
Hey I like HIDs, I do wish Lexus could/would put them in.
THe GX is not a fail to consumers or to Lexus. It sold well, it produce a profit. I initially HATED it when it debuted. "Another SUV" is what I thought. However it met sales goals and bridged the gap between the RX and expensive LX. Now everyone has 3 or more SUVs seemingly.
THe GX is nowhere inferior to the Toureg or Land Rover because the PRADO is not inferior to the Tourareg (what a dumbass name, I can't even spell it) or Land Rover.
GX, PRado, TOureg, IMO all very good luxurious 4x4 SUVs.
The only "failure" is the TOureg, which sold like crap after the first year.
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...222_164455.htm
Volkswagen's Touareg SUV is as sophisticated, sprightly, and dead sexy as its name is awkward to spell and annoying to say. But at a time when Volkswagen of America is desperately trying to reaffirm its long-lost image as a quirky and clever manufacturer of cars for the rest of us, one has to wonder what this divine, all-terrain hunk of luxury is doing sporting, of all things, a V-Dub grill.
Apparently, potential Touareg buyers started asking themselves that very same question last year. Sales of the VW SUV tanked 43.7% in 2006, down to a niche-like 10,163 vehicles, according to Automotive News. High gas prices and competition for luxury, midsize SUVs that boiled over last year didn't help those sales figures much either.
2008 SALES
toURAG -6755
GX -16,424
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...les-sales.html
You know these test reviews mean nothing 1SICK. They are hardly a determinate of a vehicle's true values. We all know Lexus vehicles have been shafted by tests from C&D simply because they don't offer the dynamics of a BMW. We can sit here and search for "comparison tests" to backhandedly prove our points (OOO, the Touareg TDI totally threw a bone to the new RX hybrid), but we all know we love to tout them when we agree with them, trash them when we don't. Like I said before, the Land Rover is a true luxury SUV. So is the Touareg. It doesn't matter if it didn't sell, it's an extremely formidable product that (and like you said, the Cayenne sales success didn't hurt the project). The Prado is a cheaper, less refined, and more simple "Toyota". Nothing at all wrong with that, and I give Lexus of America all the credit in the world for being able to bring the thing over, throw some stuff around, and make the damn thing a success. It's great, and since it's a Toyota at heart, we all know the reliability stats. But at the same time, does it offer the dynamic composure of a Touareg or Cayenne? The endless attention to detailing that goes into a Land Rover or Touareg? You have to pay for these things, and you are 100% correct when you bring up the reliability records of the Touareg. They were extremely bumpy the first three years of production, and for those who want a "8/10ths" of what a Land Rover has to offer, the GX is a great, great option. It's an option lots of buyers took. Of course, I may go overboard and call it "fail", not a "real Lexus", but that's only because I don't believe it is at parity with a Land Rover or Cayenne/Touareg on an design or luxury front.
But the entire reasoning of all this was to point out the reason why the GX doesn't offer HIDs - It's a slightly retooled Prado - a vehicle that wasn't even intended to offer HIDs given it's market trajectory. A Land Rover has luxury in mind from the start.
Last edited by FKL; May 19, 2009 at 11:46 PM.
You know these test reviews mean nothing 1SICK. They are hardly a determinate of a vehicle's true values. We all know Lexus vehicles have been shafted by tests from C&D simply because they don't offer the dynamics of a BMW. Like I said before, the Land Rover is a true luxury SUV. So is the Touareg. It doesn't matter if it didn't sell, it's an extremely formidable product that (and like you said, the Cayenne sales success didn't hurt the project). The Prado is a cheaper, less refined, and more simple "Toyota". Nothing at all wrong with that, and I give Lexus of America all the power in the world for being able to bring the thing over, throw some stuff around, and make the damn thing a success. It's great, and since it's a Toyota at heart, we all know the reliability stats. But at the same time, does it offer the dynamic composure of a Touareg or Cayenne? The endless attention to detailing that goes into a Land Rover or Touareg? You have to pay for these things, and you are 100% correct when you bring up the reliability records of the Touareg. They were extremely bumpy the first three years of production, and for those who want a "8/10ths" of what a Land Rover has to offer, the GX is a great, great option. It's an option lots of buyers took. Of course, I may go overboard and call it "fail", not a "real Lexus", but that's only because I don't believe it is at parity with a Land Rover or Cayenne/Touareg on an design or luxury front.
But the entire reasoning of all this was to point out the reason why the GX doesn't offer HIDs - It's a slightly retooled Prado - a vehicle that wasn't even intended to offer HIDs given it's market trajectory. A Land Rover has luxury in mind from the start.
As for HIDs, yes, it should offer it.
You know these test reviews mean nothing 1SICK. They are hardly a determinate of a vehicle's true values. We all know Lexus vehicles have been shafted by tests from C&D simply because they don't offer the dynamics of a BMW. We can sit here and search for "comparison tests" to backhandedly prove our points (OOO, the Touareg TDI totally threw a bone to the new RX hybrid), but we all know we love to tout them when we agree with them, trash them when we don't. Like I said before, the Land Rover is a true luxury SUV. So is the Touareg. It doesn't matter if it didn't sell, it's an extremely formidable product that (and like you said, the Cayenne sales success didn't hurt the project). The Prado is a cheaper, less refined, and more simple "Toyota". Nothing at all wrong with that, and I give Lexus of America all the power in the world for being able to bring the thing over, throw some stuff around, and make the damn thing a success. It's great, and since it's a Toyota at heart, we all know the reliability stats. But at the same time, does it offer the dynamic composure of a Touareg or Cayenne? The endless attention to detailing that goes into a Land Rover or Touareg? You have to pay for these things, and you are 100% correct when you bring up the reliability records of the Touareg. They were extremely bumpy the first three years of production, and for those who want a "8/10ths" of what a Land Rover has to offer, the GX is a great, great option. It's an option lots of buyers took. Of course, I may go overboard and call it "fail", not a "real Lexus", but that's only because I don't believe it is at parity with a Land Rover or Cayenne/Touareg on an design or luxury front.
But the entire reasoning of all this was to point out the reason why the GX doesn't offer HIDs - It's a slightly retooled Prado - a vehicle that wasn't even intended to offer HIDs given it's market trajectory. A Land Rover has luxury in mind from the start.
Though I am not really big on what reviews have to say, even less so Edmunds, I must point out that;
You were saying?
Celebrating Lexus & Toyota from Around the Globe
I wasn't aware that we now read comparison test reviews as the bible. It was just a few weeks ago that some were calling for certain magazines to "go bankrupt" because it didn't have the result they would have liked. Why is it that when Lexus is on the top, you can't question it, but when it's...gasp...BMW, it's the end of time? I don't understand. These "tests" don't "prove" anything beyond a certain vehicle rose to the top given "XY's" priorities and judging criteria.
I totally respect where Edmunds is coming from, but I disagree. Sales numbers and comparison tests are hardly the two foundational pillars that guage the quality of a product. The Touareg won various awards when it was released as well...and so what? When you defend a product, it's weak to use the "But it won more comparison tests" arugment. (IMO).
Last edited by FKL; May 20, 2009 at 12:07 AM.
I wasn't aware that we now read comparison test reviews as the bible. It was just a few weeks ago that some were calling for certain magazines to "go bankrupt" because it didn't have the result they would have liked. Why is it that when Lexus is on the top, you can't question it, but when it's...gasp...BMW, it's the end of time? I don't understand. These "tests" don't "prove" anything beyond a certain vehicle rose to the top given "XY's" priorities and judging criteria.
I totally respect where Edmunds is coming from, but I disagree. Sales numbers and comparison tests are hardly the two foundational pillars that guage the quality of a product. The Touareg won various awards when it was released as well...and so what? When you defend a product, it's weak to use the "But it won more comparison tests" arugment. (IMO).
And I asked you about 10 posts ago, have you ever been in a LandCruiser Prado, and I still can't get a straight answer. I have, many times, and I will say again, The only thing a Range has on it is the badge and prettier leather. If you don't like the interior design that is fine, design is subjective, but you CANNOT criticize the quality as being less than top class.
Glad it will have new rear door. hopefully a split-fold such as lc and lx. It was one of my main complaints with the current gen. In fact, I believe it is my only real major complaint that I could think of right now.
Also, very happy that it STAYS AN OFFROADER!!!!! I would not consider this in my garage if it were another wannabe sports car. It's an SUV for christ's sake...
Could be possible replacement for the 4runner. I can't wait to see it.
I searched and found a Japanese source.
Prado underpins GX,
take a look.
front lights take cues from LX.
It's for sure GX will probably look nicer.


