Different vehicles have different charging curves. Not all vehicles charge the same at 400v chargers.

I have no issue with the ES styling inside. It’s fine.

The issue is this style of vehicle is what people buy to travel with a family in. I don’t know anybody who has multiple 3 row family haulers, do you? This idea that people just buy multiple vehicles is silly, most families have two vehicles, even wealthy families.

Plugging in when you park every day is no issue, the issue is charging when traveling. It’s like saying you need your phone to last multiple days because you don’t want to charge it every night, that’s just being obstinate it’s actually no issue to plug your phone in or sit it on a charger at night.. Now having your phone last out in the world all day long without having to charge it is an issue. Also no issue plugging your car in if it’s sitting in your driveway or in your garage anyways.

 

As much as people crap on the ES interior, the TZ interior is a major upgrade over the TX. If this had the iX3 range and charge specs, we would trade in our TX500h in a heartbeat.

 

Hideous.

 

the TX was a hack job. They really did a lazy one over the Highlander.

 

I have a Sienna, I dont take long road trips. NJ is the farthest this van went. Just because you have these types of vehicles dont mean you take long road trips. You CAN, but you dont have to. I see people with Suburbans, Vans, cars, CUVs all in one house so to answer your question, yes I "know" people with multiple 3 row vehicles. It's like saying anyone owning a sports car goes racing. You CAN go racing with one, but dont mean you will.

To you charging everyday at home is no issue. Which is fine? Conversely I can say charging while traveling is a non-issue. If you want to keep using the phone analogy, fine, you charge your phone more often that not while driving, regardless of long or short distances. So why would you have an issue with charging your car while traveling? Let's keep the charging issue to cars instead of using dumb comparisons.

 

Love my IS500 to death, but every time I get in the TX it gives me the regrettable feeling that I just paid the Toyota dealer a $20,000 markup on a Grand Highlander. Based on pictures the TZ looks much more expensive than the GH.

 

I think this won't sell very much, but we'll see.

 

haha. Predictable.

even funnier. LOL

Given the constraints I think they nailed it. I think it's great!

Sorry not sorry for being right on 300mi range.

Steve, your unrealistic 'hopeful' expectations before are now combined with your predictable rants of disappointment.

All: we know Toyota is a conservative company that takes its time with designs testing and releases and the fact that they're offering ice, hybrid, phev, and ev vehicles is impressive. They probably see their main competitor as the similar byd.

 

Huge upgrade over the TX.

Actually the TX was always supposed to be a Lexus, believe it or not. The Grand Highlander was adapted from the TX, not the other way around.

Its like a sports car that doesn't drive sportily...why?

To be fair you are anti-EV, the concept of an EV triggers you. If you park your car in a place where there is power, simply taking a charger off the wall and plugging it into your vehicle when you park it before you walk into your house is not an imposition by any reasonable definition. Now, if you park on the street or in a garage or a parking lot or something where there isn't power right there thats a different story, but for me the charger is right there on the wall next to the car, plugging it into the car requires no effort at all. Stopping on a trip multiple times or once for an hour is a big consideration, no matter how you slice it. I don't have to stop traveling while my phone charges. The analogy makes perfect sense. I don't hear anybody complaining about having to charge their phone at home while they sleep, and I don't hear anybody who actually has an EV complaining about plugging their car in at home. I do however hear many people complain their phone's battery doesn't last the whole day when they are out and I hear EV owners complain about having to charge their when traveling.

The point is how much of a market is there for a vehicle at this price that you are so limited as to what you can do with it? I don't think there will be much of a market. Sales of other EV 3 rows with more range are very slow and require huge incentives to move them, no reason to think this will be different. I can lease a $90k Vistiq or EX90 for what it costs to lease a base $65k RX350 and a $74k TX500h is $300 a month more...and they can't keep them in stock. The market already rejects this vehicle.

I would think Lexus would be more interested in the reactions of people that would buy the vehicle (me) vs people who won't (you). Glad you like what you'll never buy though

Any expectation that Lexus of today would design a class leading vehicle in ANY segment is an unrealistic expectation sadly. Become such a lazy company.

 

Wow I had not seen a new release that looked good from day 1. Kudo to Toyota/Lexus. This may bring us back to Lexus.

As for range... the want and need... Lol. Personally I don't believe/buy those advertised ranges. I never took my Tesla on a trip (charging is only part of it but not the main reason) but I often planned it out to see how long it would take... It's ridiculous. And I would need to stop at other places for food/pee (of choice) too. Lol. Not sure how other EV owners manage to take theirs on trips. I guess when there's no other choice, the choice becomes the best choice.

 

Don't worry, Toyota will just "leapfrog" everyone. At least that's what I've been being told for years....

I'm sure there will be comments about reliability etc as well. The usual Toyota cope since 2010 when they went downhill etc etc

 

Agree, it looks great.

 

Right lol, been waiting 20 years! I continued to buy not as good stuff from them too until I just couldn't anymore...for a long time.

I'd really like to have a Lexus again...

 

Huh? Are you just making things up now? What does this even mean?


No, you are not being fair. I am NOT anti-EV and I said that many times. I've said it many times, and you can go search for it. When the infrastructure if ready for an EV, I will get one. To be fair you often have selective memory and twists other's words to support your point.

 

it's very simple really - I drive mine everywhere. No issues that are earth shattering or life changing.

And there are millions of others that do the same.