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Old Jan 27, 2026 | 09:09 PM
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Not great not terrible as they say lol! I'm at $.12
Yeah and those are the winter rates, I will have to look at what the summer rates are
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Yet people deny that it's a COL decrease, $2 gas..cracks me up. If everyone would just shut up and let ****/transportation/logistics/optics catch up, food will start coming down too when it costs half of what it did to bring it to stores. It just takes time. Get energy down, things follow.

Regular is $2.15 here.
My fuel costs are generally about $200/month at the high end.

You could cut that in half and it would make an absolutely meaningless difference in my overall budget.
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Not great not terrible as they say
You saw Chernobyl?

You're missing out if you never come to the movie and tv thread. And I don't recall you ever really in there.
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Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
My fuel costs are generally about $200/month at the high end.

You could cut that in half and it would make an absolutely meaningless difference in my overall budget.
Same here... but we all have money on here. You're a CPA, I don't hear a lot of stories about accountants being broke for gas money lol.

The big group of us that all regularly chat are all pretty well heeled, it doesn't affect us. Still obnoxious though when it was that high.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Same here... but we all have money on here. You're a CPA, I don't hear a lot of stories about accountants being broke for gas money lol.

The big group of us that all regularly chat are all pretty well heeled, it doesn't affect us. Still obnoxious though when it was that high.
The point is though for most people their home energy costs more than their gasoline for their cars, so a reduction in vehicle fuel doesn't do them any good if their home energy costs are higher, they're in the same spot regardless. For instance my electric bill this month is $599, my gas bill is $195...so thats $800. I've spent about $320 on gas. Last year maybe I spent $60 more on gas, but my electric and gas bills combined were $120 or so less...so I'm actually spending more on energy even though gasoline prices are down. My gasoline bill is only as high as it is because I have 1 very expensive car to fuel...if I had another PHEV or something like that my gasoline bill would be like $100.

Like you I notice the gasoline cost because I pay it as I go, the home utilities just deduct from my bank account. But, if you are watching your budget like most people do you are fully aware of what your home utilities cost.

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Sorry, I do not subscribe to the "educated people are wrong" argument. When I want insight into economics, I get that from economists.
Economists have whatever kind of "insight" that you want to hear. Some subscribe to Kenesian (big government) philosophies, others to free market. Some are political partisan hacks masquerading as economists, basing their insight on same. Hell, Nobel Prize-winning economist, Paul Krugman, proclaimed that the economy would crash and never recover based on a 2016 presidential election outcome. Bonk. Fast forward to current times, how many economic experts predicted massive inflation due to tariffs? Bonk. Today, there's supposedly a 40% chance of an economic recession. That's on par with three financial experts predicting that xyz shareprice will go up, down or stay the same. yawn...


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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil
Economists have whatever kind of "insight" that you want to hear. Some subscribe to Kenesian (big government) philosophies, others to free market. Some are political partisan hacks masquerading as economists, basing their insight on same. Hell, Nobel Prize-winning economist, Paul Krugman, proclaimed that the economy would crash and never recover based on a 2016 presidential election outcome. Bonk. Fast forward to current times, how many economic experts predicted massive inflation due to tariffs? Bonk. Today, there's supposedly a 40% chance of an economic recession. That's on par with three financial experts predicting that xyz shareprice will go up, down or stay the same. yawn...
Oh please. People with degrees in economics know more about economics than you. Do what everybody should do and consume viewpoints and information from a wide variety of sources and draw your own conclusions. Talk to people you know in your real life who are economists too, my SIL and BIL are both economists. The factors at play in high and rising prices are not a mystery, we know what those factors are and what is driving that...and its not simply fuel prices.

Tariffs have absolutely raised prices and will continue to raise prices consumers are bearing something like 95% of the cost of the tariffs. There is analysis after analysis that shows this.

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Inflation reality.



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I understand. Just because inflation is not dramatically up does not mean that prices for specific goods that the tariffs are applied to are not up and that US consumers aren't paying the bulk of those tariffs. There is study after study that shows this. Look into it...with an open mind.

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Reality check: Inflation rate fell YoY. GDP Q3 4.4% growth. Atlanta Feds believes Q4 will be 5.4% growth.

Below was the narrative: Bonk.

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil
Inflation reality.
18 of the 21 components of CPI were not collected at all in October or November. Literally only fuel and vehicle prices were included.

In December BLS began reporting all components again, but the amount of data points that are imputed rather than actually collected has risen from its historically typical ~10% range that it maintained for many years up through February 2025, to 40% in December. BLS' own standards specify that at 50% imputation the overall report has zero value, and we're pretty close to that figure now.
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Originally Posted by Chatanooga Phil
Reality check: Inflation rate fell YoY. GDP Q3 4.4% growth. Atlanta Feds believes Q4 will be 5.4% growth.

Below was the narrative: Bonk.


Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its "bonk" lol. See above from someone who understands.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Yet people deny that it's a COL decrease, $2 gas..cracks me up. If everyone would just shut up and let ****/transportation/logistics/optics catch up, food will start coming down too when it costs half of what it did to bring it to stores. It just takes time. Get energy down, things follow.

Regular is $2.15 here.
True, things are turning around but it's going to take a bit.

The US is recovering from the prior 4-year period of horrific energy policy (actually less than 4 years because things got so bad they had to reverse some policies). Morons screwed things up so bad that they were depleting America's strategic petroleum reserves in an effort to mask the results of their idiocy. sigh...

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil
Reality check: Inflation rate fell YoY. GDP Q3 4.4% growth. Atlanta Feds believes Q4 will be 5.4% growth.

Below was the narrative: Bonk.

Speaking of hacks. This guy.

As for tariffs being completely paid for by the consumer, that has been proven to ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Some companies have in fact absorbed some or all of the tariffs on their imported goods. Companies do so to keep prices competitive to avoid losing customers. GM wrote off $1B on their P&L instead of passing it off to consumers. A recent article in the New York Times (they have economist that study economics so they know everything, right?) states data shows that only 37% of the tariffs were pass on to consumers in 2025.
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Originally Posted by 2O16ES350
Speaking of hacks. This guy.

As for tariffs being completely paid for by the consumer, that has been proven to ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Some companies have in fact absorbed some or all of the tariffs on their imported goods. Companies do so to keep prices competitive to avoid losing customers. GM wrote off $1B on their P&L instead of passing it off to consumers. A recent article in the New York Times (they have economist that study economics so they know everything, right?) states data shows that only 37% of the tariffs were pass on to consumers in 2025.
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